Remove ARQ (Voided by Author)

[Spooky]

Name: Spooky

Suggestion: Remove ARQ

Implementation: Just get rid of it, it's not needed after Dragon made ARC harder. 41st did NOT have a say in the AT-RT part of ARQ, and most people don't even want it.

Lore: No lore. Wasn't a thing.

Workshop content if applicable: none
(If no workshop content, suggest a developer or put "Require Development")

 

ALSO, 91st CONTROLS AT-RTs NOW WITH ARQ. YOU NEED ARQ FOR AT-RTs

 

Only remove ARQ from the ARC training process. Make it a thing only for ARF.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Spooky

[Logic]

+1 all the way

[Venom/TJ]

+1

[Kerry Conway]

+1 It's useless

[Bazoo]

+1 get this outtie

[Pythin]

+1 Is not Needed

[Mitchell]

+1 why does this exist?

[Allegro]

+1 

[Buzz]

+1 Not needed, if ARC is that hard to pass than something needs changed, no need for pre-reqs for something that widespread, sorry not sorry to those but this is kinda the Covert Ops to SOBDE, pointless/useless. There wasn't even a server suggestion to adding this so don't implement something that is controversial.

[JBFox]

+1 This something that was shoved into our faces without any community input at all. It's a pre-requisite for a pre-requisite. 

[Alucard]

+1

[Zensras]

+1

 

[Stockings]

Now that I know the truth behind ARQ I am -1 ~  Note:  Chambers should understand that the Community should not instantly be silenced.  That is not what a proper leader should do whatsoever.  I would've expected better and someone who would certainly be willing to listen to the community's feedback regarding the suggestion.  

Edited December 5, 2018 by Stockings
Wowza

[Sinister]

+1

[Bart Versock]

+1 All the way

[Striker]

+1, JB hit the nail on the head.

[Valkyri3]

+1 there was no community input when it was added and so far the feedback has been negative.

 

This is not Icefuse , the first thing u see when you load in  is= Made by the players for the players so why cant we voice our opinions? 

Thx Joah

 

ARQ

  

 

Edited December 5, 2018 by [SR] Valkyrie [Na]

[Winters]

+1 sure

 

[Craigary]

+1. Oof.

[Oaks]

+1, there's already enough to do with ARC.

[Sparklez]

OKAY SO, everyone is just saying to remove ARQ training. Which, ya I agree with. But no one is giving an alternative. AT-RT/BARC training is pretty cool and stuff. So like, Why not just update the already existent ARC training? Add a stage for whatever ARQ training teaches and boom, ez. From what I understand, ARQ is like a gateway for people to UNLOCK the ability to attend ARC selections. So that kinda like, takes away what ARC selections are lol. It's just kinda redundant and doesn't make much sense to me. 

So ya. I think ARQ should be removed and added to the initial ARC training. Maybe make a Recon training too for people who aren't ARC, but don't make a 91st training thingy essential for ARC troopers, like that is just kinda stupid.

[Joah]

I'm going to unlock this for further feedback from the community if it's not something that's wanted it should go out the door. No reason to push it if everyone dislikes it. I'll keep this thread open for now just for further review and other perspectives. 

-Thanks

-Founders

[Logic]

WE ARE NOT ICEFUSE LET US SPEAK

[Woody]

Joah coming in with that founder dick beat down boi

[Esitt]

I don't understand why this was denied. It clearly has the full support of the community, not a single -1. If the people don't want it, why keep it? But like Joah said, this will stay open for more community feedback. Will look over it again once more time has passed.

And please, keep this civil. ❤️

[Pxnda]

+1,
"Just Don't Go, 4Head."
Pewdiepie Meme Review Inbound.

[Faded]

+1

[Zensras]

"For the community,  By the community"

 

[Fizzik]

I'll make it simple for you guys. The leader of the ARC training (Blitz) can change the ARC training any way he pleases. He CHOSE to make ARQ a requirement. It's his program, his rules, you have to deal with it.

[Joah]

Just now, Red_Panda said:

+1,
"Just Don't Go, 4Head."
Pewdiepie Meme Review Inbound.

Bitch Lasagna ~ SUB TO PEWDIEPIE

[Sixta]

I enjoyed the training but making it mandatory is kinda dumb imo. Neutral 

Edited December 5, 2018 by Sixta

[Mitchell]

[Alexz]

+1 as much as I want this to work out, I believe this isn't what the community wants right now and disenfranchises people who have worked to get where they are.

[Venom/TJ]

Honestly it shouldn't have been added and made INSTANTLY  be required for ARC training, If you think its a good thing to be added, make it optional for about a month and if it works good, THEN make it required.

[Esitt]

Keep it to +1's or -1's. Anything unneeded (That does not contribute to the topic) will be hidden. Fair warning.

[Dragon]

 

-1, the whole purpose behind this is to get everyone trained for ARF Barc and other recon tactics. The decision to make it a prerequisite to ARC was mine. IMO the 91st have a right to make their training how they want it. It would be like telling 41st that they cant make AT-RT a certain way or Rancor how they have to do ARC training a certain way. ARC is made up of three separate training regiments, and yet no one complains, yet a 1-hour training is too much for people to handle. Man up and stop complaining. 

[Dragon]

3 minutes ago, Venom/TJ said:

Honestly it shouldn't have been added and made INSTANTLY  be required for ARC training, If you think its a good thing to be added, make it optional for about a month and if it works good, THEN make it required.

That's how it works, you have 1 month to get the training before the penalties take effect. 

[Arroyo]

+1 Since this was added only ARC/ARF can use BARCS and ATRT which is pretty dumb and since they are claiming vehicles 

 

 

I claimed LAATS for attack battalions only

[Faded]

Well, it is a video game, and I spoke about this in the past. I really think all this shit shouldn't be added, it's legit a video game, but it's gonna be a bit realistic for training. I do think they're taking this a bit too far. It was fine how it was back then. This shit happened when I was in Null. They forced that ARC shit down on top of us without even hearing our opinion or a vote. 

[Jax]

Fat +1

[Valkyri3]

This aint Arma 3 where there is extensive Training where everything is extremely realistic.

so you cant just force a whole community to one decision you and the big boys are making without any community input in the first place

[Casual]

+1 I do appreciate the re-opening of this suggestion, I thank Joah. I understand that chambers did put a lot of effort towards this existing and I think I understand why he may be opposing this. I do believe that ARQ should be removed because I feel that there shouldn't be a prerequisite to ARC training or for ARF training. I do like the existence of the AT-RT and BARC training though, it does give a purpose for people to communicate with 41st and 91st, as well as the allowance of people to use such vehicles. 

[Bbstine]

+1 This is some of the dumbest shit.

You're adding another training that people will eventually neglect and not give a shit about just like the Tech Training, the Medical Training, Interrogation Training, etc.

No one fucking cares.

Fuck a new ARC Requirement, and fuck future training stacks.

 

Stop over complicating things with the reason "better RP" it's fucking stupid and overdone, fuck out of here.

[Mitchell]

4 minutes ago, Dragon said:

Man up and stop complaining. 

This is a community made for the players, by the players. What right do you have to implement systems that effects EVERYONE on the server with no discussion with those who will be most effected by it? We will not stop complaining because we do not like this system, our voices will be heard and we will not lay down for you to ignore what we want this community to be.

[Heart]

Just now, Mitchel said:

This is a community made for the players, by the players. What right do you have to implement systems that effects EVERYONE on the server with no discussion with those who will be most effected by it? We will not stop complaining because we do not like this system, our voices will be heard and we will not lay down for you to ignore what we want this community to be.

It doesn't effect everyone, only ARC guys

[Italy]

+1

[Dragon]

Just now, Mitchel said:

This is a community made for the players, by the players. What right do you have to implement systems that effects EVERYONE on the server with no discussion with those who will be most effected by it? We will not stop complaining because we do not like this system, our voices will be heard and we will not lay down for you to ignore what we want this community to be.

How does it affect everyone? It gives ARF, BARC and other recon training. That's the only piece that was put in by Grum.

[Alexz]

Just now, Heart said:

It doesn't effect everyone, only ARC guys

and ARF

[Khaos]

+1 already enough to do to get ARC

 

[Zensras]

 

3 minutes ago, [SR] Valkyrie [Na] said:

This aint Arma 3 where there is extensive Training where everything is extremely realistic.

so you cant just force a whole community to one decision you and the big boys are making without any community input in the first place

I agree with this,  I honestly believe ANY major changes like this should be run by the community first before it's even implemented.     This isn't just effecting ARF, etc  but battalions such as 41st and green company well considering this isn't optional. 

 

 

 

 

[BlankNameAsshole]

+1

I just don't like the idea of needing a training to be able to take a test to be able to take a training, especially when the entire thing is to see if I have what it takes to take that training that I have already completed. I agree that more people knowing how to use vehicles would be good but making it mandatory seems like it would just generate a negative response. Adding more moving parts to something that is already working just seems like it will increase the likelihood of things breaking down. If for some reason it is decided that there needs to be more trainings before we can do our trainings it would be much more practical to keep it within Rancor where we can do all of the scheduling without relying on two different battalions in conjunction with our own.

Edited December 5, 2018 by 󠀡󠀡

[Merrill]

+1

 

ARQ is to ARF what ARF is supposed to be to ARC, while apparently ARQ and selections serve very similar purposes. I like trainings, but I don't like redundancy

 

[Prince]

+1, I mean to me it doesn't seem like a bad training and was kinda interesting, but instantly slapping on the *Required for this and this* shit and force people to do it, it tends to make people not want to fucking do it. Adding these new trainings are great and all, stop fucking making them required for all this other shit and threaten to remove our current positions. It's just inconvienient and uninsentivising as a whole.

[GlobalOffender]

-1 thats like saying Rancor should host ARC thats there training and ARQ is supposed to give Recon something to come together to make the server have more than just one special training and the main reason this is getting plus ones is because it launched litteraly yesterday and only one has been hosted and not half of the people have done it. a group jumping to conclussions causes problems give it a try if you still feel it should ba gone after i will respect youre choice but till then these are biased opinions

 

 

[Buzz]

Biggest issue, for one, there have been too many things that have been added and failed miserably, if we keep adding more and more trainings then no one will be able to be that "role" they desire. I'll be honest, adding things could be good but it can be bad. It may have been taken differently if there was a server suggestion.

[Elijah]

-1 This is a good trianing  to have for the sever.

[Wolfro]

+1

[Zensras]

1 minute ago, Elijah said:

-1 This is a good trianing  to have for the sever.

Training*

And come on,  state the reason for this?  Tell us why a required training for several battalions that suddenly came out of no where with no community input is good. 

[Mitchell]

1 minute ago, Heart said:

It doesn't effect everyone, only ARC guys

Here is a list of who it directly effects.
ARCs
ARFs
ARCTs
41st Green Company.
Alpha ARC
Rancor
GM
Now lets add on more.
We have lore characters that require ARC training such as Fives.
We have lore characters that require ARF training such as Mortar from the 104th.
It's a large amount of people.

[BigMan/TimmyThicc]

Ill -1 because based on my experience with the actual ARQ was pretty pleasant. Its not long at all and it shows you the basics of what Recon is preparing you for both ARC and ARF. The training itself only takes like 30 min once everything is set up (tad bit longer today because of the amount of ppl attending today) and is rather fun imo but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if ppl didnt like it, just stating that i liked it when i attended

Edited December 5, 2018 by BigMan/TimmyThicc

[Valkyri3]

This is literally a puppet show as 41st has almost no justification on ARQ when we don't have any ARF and we are forced to do ARQ. We have been discriminated enough during events, normal times or even on the forums. Being in the 41st for 3+ months now, we get a lot of hate but this is literally a power play for both 91st and RANCOR.

 

 I don't think SO is satisfied with ARQ too from what I heard previously and also how almost all battalions that have ARF or ARC have an increased difficulty which makes them more "elite" which I don't think it really helps and this would further deter the people who want to be ARC 

 

91st doesn't host their BARC Training constantly while we do it on request. Yes there is a calendar but usually, its either cancelled or no one qualifies for ARQ. No hate on the battalions but just my opinion.

[silvers]

Neutral, I'd just say make another ARC Training. And this is like the FIRST ARQ, people need to give it a try.

[Dragon]

Just want to make this point. ARQ bundles ARF and BARC. Would you rather have to do them separately, meaning it would take longer?

[TacocaT]

8 minutes ago, BigMan/TimmyThicc said:

Ill -1 because based on my experience with the actual ARQ was pretty pleasant. Its not long at all and it shows you the basics of what Recon is preparing you for both ARC and ARF. The training itself only takes like 30 min once everything is set up (tad bit longer today because of the amount of ppl attending today) and is rather fun imo but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if ppl didnt like it, just stating that i liked it when i attended

I kinda didn't want to get involved, but I have an honest question.  So, when I became a Heavy they made sure I understood how to position, how to use the weapon, what not to do. When I became an Engi, they made sure I knew how to RP the work and everything and what my role would be.  If it is basics of Recon, shouldn't it be something that is done at the beginning?  Shouldn't it be the 100 level course of "Here's how to be recon" and not a mandatory 200 level course that affects somewhere around 50% of 7 major battalions?

 

To clarify: Should this not be the training to become Recon, not something to move through the ranks of recon?

Edited December 5, 2018 by TacocaT

[Woody]

1 minute ago, Dragon said:

Just want to make this point. ARQ bundles ARF and BARC. Would you rather have to do them separately, meaning it would take longer?

Yes I'd like the option to not do both if I only require one of them to do something.

[GlobalOffender]

im also going to state this was not a decision that 91st made we were told to do this but after like 100 hours of work ill be damned if this is removed it will show how little the community cares for peoples time

 

[Mitchell]

20 minutes ago, Dragon said:

How does it affect everyone? It gives ARF, BARC and other recon training. That's the only piece that was put in by Grum.

Anytime in a democratic society that our voices are ignored we are driven closer away from that to an authoritarian state. This is no different, if you are allowed to enforce systems that was never agreed upon by our republic; we are accepting that we do not have a voice and slowly more and more things will be taken away from us. This community split away from IFN because of similar issues and if we begin to implement things that effect people in the community, regardless of the size, without their feedback being heard; then we have became exactly what we have despised.

Here's a nice poem, I hope you know what this is from.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Edited December 5, 2018 by Mitchel

[Juicy]

1 minute ago, GlobalOffender said:

im also going to state this was not a decision that 91st made we were told to do this but after like 100 hours of work ill be damned if this is removed it will show how little the community cares for peoples time

 

Don't you think before putting in 100 hours of work on something you should maybe ask the community how they feel about it then? That's on the people doing the work not the people disagreeing with it.

[Bbstine]

Alright guys, leave it to +1's and -1's. I know Esitt already said it but it's getting pretty hard to get valid criticism.

If you'd like to keep arguing with certain people make a private PM here on the forums, it's there for a reason lads.

 

Please and thank you.

 

[GlobalOffender]

wasnt an option for us

 

[GlobalOffender]

fucking go to the training it will show what this is

 

[TacocaT]

3 minutes ago, GlobalOffender said:

im also going to state this was not a decision that 91st made we were told to do this but after like 100 hours of work ill be damned if this is removed it will show how little the community cares for peoples time

 

It's not the work put in that is what people are upset about but more the implementation.  I personally think that if a need is identified to elaborate or expand basic Recon training then it should be done.  I do not think it should be retroactively affecting this many battalions if it is a basic training.  I feel that if people in their respective groups have passed ARC or ARF then the basics, as it has been described, of Recon are a pretty moot point to them.

[Billsiff]

-1

I think it may need some tweaks but regardless I think its great. ARC needs some kind of pretrial to prove that you are up to it. Please think about this before joining the hype built up by everyone else who don't know what their saying.

[Striker]

7 minutes ago, GlobalOffender said:

im also going to state this was not a decision that 91st made we were told to do this but after like 100 hours of work ill be damned if this is removed it will show how little the community cares for peoples time

 

You guys? We didn't have a choice in the matter. Neither did you from what you just said. It's like you taking a spoon of you macaroni and forcing it into our mouths saying "I worked really hard on this and you ARE going to fucking eat it."

Edited December 5, 2018 by Striker

[Merrill]

The original idea of ARQ was something I liked, because it was simply described as a singular training to prepare Recon units who were interested for vehicle usage. It wasn't a requirement at all unless you wanted to use vehicles such as the BARC or ATRT. I'd be fine with keeping ARQ if it was simply optional recon vehicle training, but the ARQ given is like what Fallout 76 turned out to be: a work in progress that some people were originally hyped for and then were let down by how the final product turned out.

[Bolt]

+1 get rid of it if people don't want it

 

i don't want to have an extra ARC stage to be ARC (even though i don't care and never will care about being an ARC or about ARC in general)

 

also 41st aren't oppressed, just 3-5 months again around the times joah was 501st you had the biggest battalion server influence, but anyway +1 this cuz people don't want it and no need for an extra ARC stage

 

also retards stop giving negative forum rep to people with different opinions then yours you look like the antifa

Edited December 5, 2018 by Bolt

[TheOGNick]

+1

[royer]

-1 Its just a qualification to promote RP. Its a pretrial to check and make sure people are ready for ARC. This isn't even a wipe or something to worry about. ARC/ARF have more than a month to get this done. (Edit) All this is is a retard test and prep for ARC, go complete ARQ and then complain.

Edited December 5, 2018 by royer

[Oaks]

Could W&T, Leadership & Selections be for ARC. 
Then to be an ARCL/ARCO in any Battalion have extensive training such as ARQ? 

Edited December 5, 2018 by [SR] Oaks [NA]

[Dranrab]

Grandfather Current ARCS in so they are not forced to go back and do ARQ and get rid of current AT-RT requirement. Its really not that bad, people need to relax. ALSO 41st maybe could help host ARQ trainings so there are more during the week

Edited December 5, 2018 by Dranrab

[Alexz]

1 minute ago, Dranrab said:

Grandfather Current ARCS in so they are not forced to go back and do ARQ and get rid of current AT-RT requirement. Its really not that bad, people need to relax.

This was my idea also and can help fix this! 

[Juicy]

+1 For the fact that it is required for ARC, this means that new enlisted in Rancor must attend ARQ to get ARC training and they already have to get ARC training to get promoted, so the fact that something only hosted twice a week is required for them means that anyone in Rancor who is not able to make ARQ scheduled times will never have the opportunity to rank up, in the end this will kill rancor in the long run. Make it an AT-RT, BARC, and ARF thing, thats it.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Bryce B. 3C-279

[Hiki]

+1 

Getting ARC is hard enough already without even more prerequisites. 

[Chambers]

27 minutes ago, Faded said:

Well, it is a video game, and I spoke about this in the past. I really think all this shit shouldn't be added, it's legit a video game, but it's gonna be a bit realistic for training. I do think they're taking this a bit too far. It was fine how it was back then. This shit happened when I was in Null. They forced that ARC shit down on top of us without even hearing our opinion or a vote. 

Null still have to go to selections just like any other ARC trooper they are still ARC troopers.

28 minutes ago, Arroyo said:

+1 Since this was added only ARC/ARF can use BARCS and ATRT which is pretty dumb and since they are claiming vehicles 

 

 

I claimed LAATS for attack battalions only

Only ARC and ARF will be able to use those vehicles as they are RECON vehicles that suit the jobs and allows a unique thing to be added to them.

It's the same thing that is happening to Pilots.

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91st Can do whatever the fuck it wants to make it so people can use their BARCS (No one could use them at all before this) (Without Game Master Perms))

91st Controls ARF training already???

41st Can do whatever the fuck it wants to make it so people can use their AT-RTs (The inclusion in ARQ was optional Egg was the one that worked with Grum on this and added AT-RT to ARQ) (No one could use them at all before this (Without Game Master Perms))

104th Can do whatever the fuck it wants to make it so people can use their TX-130s  (Without Game Master Perms))

RANCOR can strip ARC and modify selections all they want it's their battalions thing.

91st already controlled ARF training they just made it scheduled to 4 times a week and only takes 30 mins in smaller groups and an hour for large groups then you are done ARQ. (ARC takes 3 hours to get everything and longer if you fail and is once maybe twice a week)

What truly pissed me off about this suggestion is the fact that 90% of the people +1 did not attend or give it a chance when there has only been one ARQ and it was an hour and a half ago.

91st poured their heart and soul into making ARF training more fun and incorporate BARC training so everyone could get the training in a quick 30mins a be on their way and be able to begin to use BARCs on the patrol.

While I will admit I did act badly the first time I will not make an excuse for it.

If people want to try to make a legitimate change to improve the server and the community I will defend them to the death because they are the people that will make a change for the betterment of the community.

"those that try do, but those that do not try, do nothing"

If you do not like that fact that it is a requirement for ARC then make that suggestion, do not shit on the effort of 91st who actually made something fun for people to do that hardly takes any time.

[Tec]

+1

[Scribbles]

I went through ARQ. Its fun, but i'd prefer it not being Mandatory for ARC.

 

Neutral as i wouldn't wanna see it removed, but i dont want to see it being mandatory for ARC.  It's a fun training. 

[OneNiner6719]

-1 ARQ stands as a test to see if you're competent for recon action, it's nothing hard, and can even help you think about what you're doing in recon situations, such as the second portion of the training. Plus, RANCOR HAS PRIORITY OVER MANAGING ARC. If they want a training to go in, they make it go in. IT IS NOT A COMMUNITY DECISION. Same applies to 91st over ARF. We were planning to rework ARF training anyway, but was reworked into ARQ when several high command came to us and talked out the idea.

None of you are even giving it a chance, just bashing it because you don't like change, and possibly bandwagoning.

(Also, complaining that only ARF and ARC can ride barcs... yeah, that was the plan from the ground up. That's 91st's decision to make. We don't want everyone and their mothers getting BARC training and thinking their entitled to shit.)

[Spooky]

38 minutes ago, Dragon said:

Just want to make this point. ARQ bundles ARF and BARC. Would you rather have to do them separately, meaning it would take longer?

the point of this suggestion is to remove it from the ARC process, and move it to the ARF process, which 91st oversee.

[Dragon]

@SpookyThe Rancor High Command Voted.

We decided to remove ARQ as a prerequisite to ARC.

You can void this now.

[Spooky]

Just now, Dragon said:

@SpookyThe Rancor High Command Voted.

We decided to remove ARQ as a prerequisite to ARC.

You can void this now.

thanks

 

@Square you know what to do baby

[Juicy]

Yay

 

Edited December 5, 2018 by Bryce B. 3C-279

[Bbstine]

I got it for you chief @Spooky

//Locking

//Moving to Denied (due to void)