Torrent Company Dogma and Tup Specializations

[Marvel]

Name: Marvel

RP Rank: BCMD

Suggestion: Giving Dogma and Tup specializations within Torrent Company. Specifically Dogma becoming an engineer and Tup receiving a shield.

Implementation: Give Dogma the Support Trooper loadout and Tup a deployable shield

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Job: Torrent Company Dogma

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Job: Torrent Company Tup

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Other: Now the purpose behind this suggestion is to finally give these two characters something other than the default trooper loadout which they both currently have. We decided for Dogma to be an engineer or support trooper so that in the typical squad environment that TC creates there is a trooper in their group that can distribute armor, hack rayshields, repair vehicles, and is CQC with a shotgun alongside Hawk however Hawk's primary focus is being a pilot and flying whereas Dogma would primarily focus on those tasks on the ground. For Tup however we have decided to try and give him something unique for a 501st character with a deployable shield. We didn't want to just double up on another persons job again where doubling up on SUP made sense for what we are trying to accomplish, all the other regiments didn't. Tup was present during the battle of Ringo Vinda where 501st and Doom's Unit troopers utilized shields. Tup wasn't necessarily seen using one himself but we thought he was the best option to create his own unique role in the subunit and in the battalion without trying to get a 501st riot trooper. Our end goal is for Dogma and Tup to have their own definitive purposes in TC and in the 501st, that being Dogma as an engineer/support trooper and Tup utilizing a shield to support his squad in combat.

I am however fine with negotiating other options for Tup if people decide to lose their minds over another battalion having one deployable shield. This was just one of our better options for the character.

Edited November 12, 2021 by Marvel

[Bacta]

+1

[Nalon]

+1 please for the love of god I would love a shield and same with any future Tup's

 

[Whataburger]

+1

bacta for tup woop woop!

[KillJoy]

Where the lore behind tip have a shield. But nuh +1 it makes sense for them to different load outs because if not what is the point other than just being a lore character. This should have been suggested many Rexs ago 

[Conrad]

-1 not every single character needs a unique thing. Some troopers where just troopers, not everyone is known for something or has this special purpose they fullfil within a squad. This isn't a bad thing and to me and isn't even about lore. Not every character needs some busted kit, some people are just your every day frontline troopers, and thats ok.

[Guac]

+1 for dogma, -1 for tup. I think that the engineer kit is naturally a balancing move. Can't say the same about Tup.

[Rickle]

-1 I feel like what Conrad said kind of sums it up, not every single person needs something special especially if they didn't have anything special in the Clone wars. I would be happy to +1 if there was any lore and you just didn't want 2 troopers to have stuff just because they need to have more stuff. I mean ppl already go for TC just because of the lore characters just giving them a bigger buff.

[Hanz]

They don't need anything special. TC works just fine with two lore characters that are just lore characters. I was happy to be Tup back in the day and yeah it would have been cool to have a shield but he doesn't need it at all. Conrad hit the nail right on the head -1

 

[Hansen]

+1

[Silly]

+1

[EmBark]

+1 It would be unique 

[NaquisAKANuKwah]

+1, theres no point in them having no class specifications. If you just have a default trooper loadout, whats the point? might as well go on the Default trooper whitelist

[Marvel]

8 hours ago, Conrad said:

-1 not every single character needs a unique thing. Some troopers where just troopers, not everyone is known for something or has this special purpose they fullfil within a squad. This isn't a bad thing and to me and isn't even about lore. Not every character needs some busted kit, some people are just your every day frontline troopers, and thats ok.

In subunits like this where there are characters that have massive downgrades compared to the rest of the group it just makes them less desirable than the rest. In my time in the 501st this has been the biggest complaint about these two characters and was my primary reasoning behind removing TC trooper. Dogma’s characterization already makes him less desirable as is and Tup is basically just a noob however what we are asking for aren’t even busted kits. They’re really standard kits just to give them something that can help prevent these two positions being open as often as they normally are.

Right now they’re freelance where they can attach to any regiment minus ARC and HVO. However this only provides a problem where these people are medics without medical kits or ARFs without ARF kits. I don’t think there is another lore character job on the server like these two. Waxer and Boil are the same. In the show we see them with standard trooper kits however on the server they were given specific kits that being Boil as a HVY and Waxer as an ARF.

It’s not about making these lore jobs busted which by no means is this suggestion doing so. It’s about providing these jobs with actual purposes and ways to do more than just “shoot droids with default gun; be character.”

8 hours ago, Guac said:

+1 for dogma, -1 for tup. I think that the engineer kit is naturally a balancing move. Can't say the same about Tup.

This. We knew the Tup shield suggestion was a long shot however Dogma becoming an engineer makes complete and total sense. There just aren’t a ton of options for Tup.

[n1ck]

+1 I think this is a cool idea

[Axar]

-1 im cool with non lore accurate stuff on the server most of the time, but thinking about a 501st running around with a shield is kinda cringe to me. The engineer one though I don't see why not

[Dono]

+1 41st has a similar issue with the scout blaster being provided to the 3 bogey squad members. It’s literally one of the worst blasters on the server and is never used. BUT regardless we still have people wanting to be those lore positions. If it benefits the battalion and doesn’t really impact any other battalions operations I don’t see why it shouldn’t be added. This would only be a positive change. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Dono

[Comics]

-1, you are an RP character. Your regimental power is RPing as a character!!!

Most troopers were normal and non-specialised. Seems like a sorta weird way to try and make these characters feel "equal" to the rest of the squad. 
People are losing interest in the character and roleplaying as a member of the squad, TC is cool to join cause it's the top dogs in 501st: that close brotherhood who work directly with Rex

that's what you should be promoting, the RP. Maybe instead of using regiments as a crutch you should focus more on promoting the RP aspects since it's a thing the server seems to struggle with especially on the clone side. People wanna lore character cause it looks cool and free kit not because ya know it's the said lore character with a personality they like or wanna put into action.

[Nalon]

I would just like to say, if this gets accepted, both Tup and Dogma are A+ and can give this to them self for the time being.

[Nalon]

Also if not a shield, as the current Tup, I would like a bacta kit

[Cox]

5 minutes ago, Nalon said:

Also if not a shield, as the current Tup, I would like a bacta kit

Do you need it?

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Cox

[Nalon]

11 minutes ago, Cox said:

Do you need it?

 

Well I am a MEDO rn and I would love a bacta kit or a shield.

[Slak]

3 hours ago, Nalon said:

Well I am a MEDO rn and I would love a bacta kit or a shield.

After this response. -1

It just seems like you are asking for things for your own sake not the battalions or anyone else. 

[Nalon]

45 minutes ago, Slak said:

After this response. -1

It just seems like you are asking for things for your own sake not the battalions or anyone else. 

Well its not only for me, Marvel brought it up so he wants it and a bunch of the +1's are from the 501st who it benefits. Then people who aren't effected by this just -1 it because... they are bored I guess?

[Conrad]

2 minutes ago, Nalon said:

Well its not only for me, Marvel brought it up so he wants it and a bunch of the +1's are from the 501st who it benefits. Then people who aren't effected by this just -1 it because... they are bored I guess?

So I just wanna say people -1ing with valid criticism and you calling them "bored" is not a good look my man. People have brought up their reasons, and the whole point of an open forum for suggestions where the community can comment is so that you can get feedback on things from more then just your own point of view. Trying to discredit people for participating in the democracy of the server is kinda rude. The best thing you can do is take this feedback into account, regardless of if this gets accepted or denied in order to help realize how other people see Torrent Company.

[Brooklyn]

Torrent Company is a stacked unit. Not to mention how much love and detail they receive from the Franchise and the server. If you don't like your characters kit and want it changed to infringe on another characters or regiments specialization, then this is more selfish than anything. This is the first time in 3 years I've seen a suggestion like this for TC. No one before you really minded or cared about their kits because they liked the character and position for what it was and is. No reason to change it. -1

[Nalon]

8 hours ago, Brooklyn said:

Torrent Company is a stacked unit. Not to mention how much love and detail they receive from the Franchise and the server. If you don't like your characters kit and want it changed to infringe on another characters or regiments specialization, then this is more selfish than anything. This is the first time in 3 years I've seen a suggestion like this for TC. No one before you really minded or cared about their kits because they liked the character and position for what it was and is. No reason to change it. -1

I mean your right. I just think it could be a cool change, and if this gets denied that kind of sucks but its not like I lose the character.

[Nalon]

10 hours ago, Conrad said:

So I just wanna say people -1ing with valid criticism and you calling them "bored" is not a good look my man. People have brought up their reasons, and the whole point of an open forum for suggestions where the community can comment is so that you can get feedback on things from more then just your own point of view. Trying to discredit people for participating in the democracy of the server is kinda rude. The best thing you can do is take this feedback into account, regardless of if this gets accepted or denied in order to help realize how other people see Torrent Company.

That ? means its a question because they Idk why they care. I understand for people with good points or people effected by this decision, not some random -1. Everyone can put one up, its about if they should put one up. I did not mean to come off rude about it and I apologize for that, I was trying to prove something and I typed it in a aggressive way. I am sorry about that. Also I respect the -1 if they have valid reason reasoning.

[Maverick]

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