Adding Ventress and Opress to the CIS

[Dennis]

Name: Dennis

RP Rank: Count Dooku leader of the separatist alliance 

Suggestion: Add Asajj Ventress and Savage Opress to the CIS faction

Implementation: ^^^^^^^^^^^

Lore: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Asajj_Ventress 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Savage_Opress

Workshop content if applicable: n/a already on the server
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Add or Change: Change Asajj Ventress to CIS faction
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Job: Asaj Ventress

Slots: 1/1

Description: current one

Model: models/church/ventress_season4.mdl
(Provide the model string if on server Ex. models/player/synergy/cblake/ls_squad/ls_trp/lstrp.mdl (Get this from the Q menu)

Weapons: Add in a ventress saber, models/starwars/cwa/lightsabers/ventress.mdl, give it the standard sith powers, choke, push, pull, whirwind, etc
(If you want a modfication to a weapon/saber you must put the weapon string in the suggestion. Ex. tfa_e5 (Get this from the Q menu))

 

Add or Change: Change: Savage Opress to CIS faction
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Job: Savage Opress

Slots: 1/1

Description: current one

Model: models/savage.mdl
(Provide the model string if on server Ex. models/player/synergy/cblake/ls_squad/ls_trp/lstrp.mdl (Get this from the Q menu)

Weapons: add in savage opress saber, models/saber_savage/saber_savage.mdl, same powers as ventress
(If you want a modfication to a weapon/saber you must put the weapon string in the suggestion. Ex. tfa_e5 (Get this from the Q menu))

Other: Both of these two will fall under the command of Count Dooku, replacing his tactical droid with him now, this add just one extra slot. 

[Maddoxx]

+1 Would give us more jobs that can help RP on the server for CIS. 

[Nova_]

+1

[Moose]

+1 bald bitch = hot bitch

[Guac]

-1, after reading those after me I changed my opinion. There seems to be far better options to serve as replacements for these roles.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Guac

[Scarecrow]

• Ehh this wouldn't really "improve RP"  This would just damage immersion (what little we have) Asajj and Savage never operated at the same time for obvious reasons. Being that Savage was made because Dooku cast Ventress out and she made a assassin. Even then Savage and Ventress are dead by now or at least Ventress is a bounty hunter you'd of been better off asking for Quinlan Voss to enter as admiral enigma besides when the [Expletive] do the CIS ever RP?

This is in refrence to the above and possibly below +1's that blindly state "Good for RP" or "Improves RP"

 

Personally unless the CIS becomes a full time functioning faction outside of hop on the Jobs RDM fest then encounter over there is little point to adding more jobs -1

Edited February 2, 2021 by Scarecrow

[Aeon]

3 minutes ago, Scarecrow said:

• Ehh this wouldn't really "improve RP"  This would just damage immersion (what little we have) Asajj Savage never operated at the same time for obvious reasons being that Savage was made because Dooku cast Ventress out and even then Savage and Ventress are dead by now or at least Ventress is a bounty hunter you'd of been better off asking for Quinlan Voss to enter as admiral enigma besides when the [Expletive] do the CIS ever RP?

This is in refrence to the above and possibly below +1's that blindly state "Good for RP" or "Improves RP"

 

Personally unless the CIS becomes a full time functioning faction outside of hop on the Jobs RDM fest then encounter over there is little point to adding more jobs -1

-1 Havent seen much activity within the CIS Overall, not a good idea team

[Luther]

+1

[Cannon]

4 minutes ago, Aeon said:

-1 Havent seen much activity within the CIS Overall, not a good idea team

this is dumb... CIS does AT LEAST 1 OP a day

[Hanz]

+1 Doesn't exactly improve Rp but no downside really and just adds more opportunities for the CIS

[Craigary]

+1

Now hear me out here.

It doesn’t make much sense to have maul in his shadow collective phase, and then have savage oppress and ventress running around playing cis still.

Instead of having Named saber users why not just yoink the jedi hunter droid or something? 
+1 tho becuase I see you guys want it, and believe it can help out the faction.

[Robb]

-1 This doesn't just automatically "add rp". I also agree with Scarecrow's point: Ventress and Opress wouldn't operate during the same time as they were both under Dooku during different time frames. Doesn't make sense. 

EDIT: I also just don't think the CIS needs more force wielding jobs. The ones they have already, will destroy the entire unit that is targeted. It's not needed.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Robb

[Marvel]

-1

Both Ventress and Savage would no longer be apart of the CIS at this point of the war especially at the same time. We should not keep adding onto the list of lore breaking characters onto the server. Nor do I believe the CIS need anymore jobs, especially these two. They would add little to no roleplay because at the end of the day they're just gonna keep force leaping away.

It's funny because I have now seen you use lore to argue for things you want and then argue that the server doesn't follow lore to add what you want. You gotta pick a side.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Marvel

[Clutch]

I think marvel summed it up -1

[Sixta]

11 minutes ago, Marvel said:

-1

Both Ventress and Savage would no longer be apart of the CIS at this point of the war especially at the same time. We should not keep adding onto the list of lore breaking characters onto the server. Nor do I believe the CIS need anymore jobs, especially these two. They would add little to no roleplay because at the end of the day they're just gonna keep force leaping away.

It's funny because I have now seen you use lore to argue for things you want and then argue that the server doesn't follow lore to add what you want. You gotta pick a side.

-1

[Bleach]

-1

Arent they both y'know

not aligned with the CIS no more?

[Cox]

-1 essentially what marvel said 

[Eclipse]

-1

The argument of "it doesn't need to follow lore" cannot be used when other suggestions have been made because "it is lore accurate."
I also feel CIS does not need two more force wielding OP jobs to come kick our ass. I don't have a real big reason for this, but I just think it wouldn't work too well on the server atm. Take that reason with a grain of salt.

[Piff]

-1 I wouldn't mind one or the other but not both

[Shake]

-1 don't approve of this change when there's other options

Edited February 2, 2021 by Shake

[Logic]

11 hours ago, Robb said:

-1 This doesn't just automatically "add rp". I also agree with Scarecrow's point: Ventress and Opress wouldn't operate during the same time as they were both under Dooku during different time frames. Doesn't make sense. 

Well Rancor and half the 501st lore characters wouldn't be helping the republic at thisvpoint in time....

Yeah I'm not getting more into that. This argument is invalidated, HOWEVER maybe there can be s rule that its either Ventress or Savage during an op, not both.

 

9 hours ago, Eclipse said:

-1

The argument of "it doesn't need to follow lore" cannot be used when other suggestions have been made because "it is lore accurate."
I also feel CIS does not need two more force wielding OP jobs to come kick our ass. I don't have a real big reason for this, but I just think it wouldn't work too well on the server atm. Take that reason with a grain of salt.

Have you seen some of the primetime ops? Even with NPCs and artillery we get obliterated. Especially if theres alot of jedi. Last op I essentially got bullied by Luther and Yoda lol. A force user will help balance this out a bit. 

 

12 hours ago, Scarecrow said:

• Ehh this wouldn't really "improve RP"  This would just damage immersion (what little we have) Asajj and Savage never operated at the same time for obvious reasons. Being that Savage was made because Dooku cast Ventress out and she made a assassin. Even then Savage and Ventress are dead by now or at least Ventress is a bounty hunter you'd of been better off asking for Quinlan Voss to enter as admiral enigma besides when the [Expletive] do the CIS ever RP?

This is in refrence to the above and possibly below +1's that blindly state "Good for RP" or "Improves RP"

 

Personally unless the CIS becomes a full time functioning faction outside of hop on the Jobs RDM fest then encounter over there is little point to adding more jobs -1

Lastly, the CIS is currently close to incapable of roleplay. Heres why

B1, B2,  Droideka and Magna Guard are KOS

Commando RP is pointless, bc metagaming, and generally overused. 

However, this leaves comms RP, which exists if you pay attention. Maddox for example is Trench and was roleplaying with Brace in comms yesterday. Dennis could do this too but dooku's exquisite laughter would get old reap fast, Dooku doesn't have very amazing interactions with anyone specific. 

 

The addition of Savage and Ventress will create the opportunity to have more interactions. It obviously doesn't just automatically create more rp, thats up to the people holding those positions. 

11 hours ago, Marvel said:

It's funny because I have now seen you use lore to argue for things you want and then argue that the server doesn't follow lore to add what you want. You gotta pick a side.

Uhm yeah, using lore to explain a good addition is a way to get stuff added, however if you believe its a good addition but isn't lore friendly just look at half of Rancor's command... sometimes its a good idea, even it breaks lore. 

 

+1 

[Scarecrow]

6 minutes ago, Logicless said:

Lastly, the CIS is currently close to incapable of roleplay. Heres why

B1, B2,  Droideka and Magna Guard are KOS

Commando RP is pointless, bc metagaming, and generally overused. 

However, this leaves comms RP, which exists if you pay attention. Maddox for example is Trench and was roleplaying with Brace in comms yesterday. Dennis could do this too but dooku's exquisite laughter would get old reap fast, Dooku doesn't have very amazing interactions with anyone specific. 

I know that and that is why I brought that point up as I thought all the people saying it improves RP was ever foolish and I wanted to point that out. 

And comms RP outside of Passive stuff is indeed worthless as any and nearly every event has that so that can be treated as special because a raid is happening

And as for the well Rancor has half of it command dead and so does the 501st yeah I agree but that doesn't mean we should keep adding to the problem especially for a faction which is glorified event jobs at this point.

[KillJoy]

+1 this could add new Rp or Gameplay for people aka during Cis Ops we have to worry about 2 other force users rather than just Dooku and Grievous.  

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, Scarecrow said:

I know that and that is why I brought that point up as I thought all the people saying it improves RP was ever foolish and I wanted to point that out. 

And comms RP outside of Passive stuff is indeed worthless as any and nearly every event has that so that can be treated as special because a raid is happening

And as for the well Rancor has half of it command dead and so does the 501st yeah I agree but that doesn't mean we should keep adding to the problem especially for a faction which is glorified event jobs at this point.

Thats why I mentioned a compromise that its either savage or ventress during the op, not both. We get obliterated by jedi, like they 2 shot B1s. Its only fair we get more force users to keep up.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Logicless

[Dennis]

8 hours ago, Shake said:

-1 don't approve of this change when there's other options

Do you wish to state said options? or are we gonna have to try to read your mind?

Also @Marvel im on the side of "iTs LoRe sO wE mUsT AdD iT oR ItS lOrE sO wE cAnT" you do realize i got Havoc Squad added to the server correct but hey thanks for the feedback. Since no one uses the form anyways. 

[Foxey]

I haven't heard or seen much of actual roleplay from the existing CIS jobs. Not only does this not make any sense whatsoever, but I don't believe it will actually add anything. -1

[Daytona211]

This community is pretty bipolar about picking a spot in the timeline. I recall being dumbed for suggesting that moving to a few weeks before order 66 would cause problems.

When I was GMD I set a policy that a gamemaster can host an event at any point in the timeline as long as it is accurately conveyed to the players that the event is set at that particular point (order 66, battle of ringo vinda, first battle of geonosis etc). This removes restrictions on them while also keeping immersion mostly in-tact. Notice this is only for events not encounters since you can't really "flashback" on main server. I believe @Shockpoint has kept this policy in place. 

I believe there are ways to tell stories similar to these characters experiences without the un-immersivness of having these characters experience / convey them. 

So -1 for me unless someone can counter my points

[Katy]

-1 I value gameplay and things that will make people happy a lot more than lore, but unless I see some actual depth to the CIS faction in terms of RP and whatnot, it would just be more irritating to fight in an operation. I suggest thinking of some different droids for the faction. Not more force users

[Shockpoint]

I really am not opposed to adding more CIS leadership to CIS. I feel it could be good to expand upon the big three and it could help spread interest within CIS. However, adding these two makes little to no sense. If you wouldn't add Maul to CIS, why add Savage? He worked for Dooku for a solid 2 episodes, and he wouldn't add any roleplay. Ventress is even worse, as she as a character who built herself as not being in that fight any longer, and to shoot her back into it when we are 2 weeks from the order makes no sense. However, there are tons of other jobs you could use to supplement. You could use Watt Tambor for example, a dude who worked with Trench and Dooku and who appeared in Season 7, and be another more roleplay oriented job rather than shooting. You could also add Kalani, the Supertactical droid from Season 5 and Rebels, and make him another roleplay job. If you want an action job, you could even add Cad Bane, and help bridge the gap between BH and CIS. If Bane is on, he can call BH to the CIS' aid in operations, and could even provide them with renown and provide some lore sense between the CIS and BH working together, which was done a lot. Besides Tambor, the rest of these jobs are already on server, and make far more sense than adding these two. They make zero sense not only in lore, but their roleplay simply wouldn't function. Dead clones who are dead still function similarly to normal clones. However, for a massive CIS job who defected from the CIS in season 3 to just be vibing would allow for them to just, not really have anything meaningful to add to the conversation. Hope this was helpful and inciteful rather than the monkeys hittin a -1 and just bailing, although I similarly disagree.
-1

[Marvel]

41 minutes ago, Shockpoint said:

I really am not opposed to adding more CIS leadership to CIS. I feel it could be good to expand upon the big three and it could help spread interest within CIS. However, adding these two makes little to no sense. If you wouldn't add Maul to CIS, why add Savage? He worked for Dooku for a solid 2 episodes, and he wouldn't add any roleplay. Ventress is even worse, as she as a character who built herself as not being in that fight any longer, and to shoot her back into it when we are 2 weeks from the order makes no sense. However, there are tons of other jobs you could use to supplement. You could use Watt Tambor for example, a dude who worked with Trench and Dooku and who appeared in Season 7, and be another more roleplay oriented job rather than shooting. You could also add Kalani, the Supertactical droid from Season 5 and Rebels, and make him another roleplay job. If you want an action job, you could even add Cad Bane, and help bridge the gap between BH and CIS. If Bane is on, he can call BH to the CIS' aid in operations, and could even provide them with renown and provide some lore sense between the CIS and BH working together, which was done a lot. Besides Tambor, the rest of these jobs are already on server, and make far more sense than adding these two. They make zero sense not only in lore, but their roleplay simply wouldn't function. Dead clones who are dead still function similarly to normal clones. However, for a massive CIS job who defected from the CIS in season 3 to just be vibing would allow for them to just, not really have anything meaningful to add to the conversation. Hope this was helpful and inciteful rather than the monkeys hittin a -1 and just bailing, although I similarly disagree.
-1

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2331029867&searchtext=

There is already a suggestion to add Poggle the Lesser into the faction to replace one of Dooku’s Tactical droids. Wat Tambor was added to the pack recently and he could be a viable choice as well seeing as he was involved with the Battle of Anaxes. Maybe he could be one of Trench’s tac droids tbh. Though I question the utilization of Trench and these non combative roles. The CIS was added more as a pvp faction and these few jolly dudes don’t ever fight. They are essentially RP positions similar to senators

The Cad Bane idea is golden. It would increase possible interaction between CIS and the Guild and also makes sense.

There are a lot of other options out there that would make more sense than bald bitch and horny steroid yellow Maul.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Marvel

[Comics]

Characters like Wat Tambor or Poggle the Lesser would create far better RP than these two non-CIS characters

-1

[Matt-Matthos]

I do understand the point that we don't follow lore therefore it doesn't matter to have these characters in the faction. But let me add some light to this. Ventress stopped working with the CIS when clones were Phase 1. Savage worked very briefly with the CIS then jumped ship to work with Maul. I also feel like the point of "adding RP" doesn't seem to work because from what I've seen CIS Ops are just a group of droids and Dooku or Grievous killing clones with very little speaking in game or comms RP between each other and the clones. That doesn't sound like RP to me. And you may say ya sure but they can RP with Kenobi or something well again Ventress can be used as a EJ for that while Savage, well Savage kinda needs to be with Maul for him to work in my sense. Again the main focus for the CIS faction is to cause some havoc and kill some clones and Jedi, never really stop and RP. also feel like the CIS faction is just going to get more and more  force folks yet its the CIS factions...not the sith one

 

-1

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Matt-Matthos

[Slak]

-1

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