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You don’t need to play to know when you disagree with something. Plus, past experience always counts. Don’t take it for granted just for any easy excuse to ignore an opinion. As for the change, I completely understand it. I see a lot of complaints on this thread, and while most valid, I can’t help but wonder; what do these removed sergeant ranks mean to you guys in the first place? I’ve seen the argument that they are simply promotion stepping stones, or even ranks that add “validation” to the work you’ve done. But will you not now receive an even bigger rush when being promoted for your work, due to how scarce the ranks are? Will you not feel as if you’ve achieved a much more meaningful promotion now that others are being thwarted in your place? For a server that has done nothing but cause drama over who has what power, who is being useless in their position, who you hate, who you love, this change seems awfully close to the mark on what you all seem to strive off. I can personally see plenty justification for this change in the current state of the server, even. You guys are dwindling in numbers as more people move on, and as you struggle to maintain that constant, it’s only smart to start making changes the cater to the 40 or so of you that consistently play. Funny, the only time you guys seem to rise above the mark is when you wanna argue on posts like this, which tend to get more people posting then actually playing. Hey, I’m guilty as charged. Now, back on topic, there are two big issues with this change. First and foremost has been mentioned often enough, but the a lack of communication is utterly insane. I assure you, had you posted a high command poll, you all would have reached a resolve down the middle. Now, no one will see this post at face value, and you’ve rightly painted a target on your backs for a very big mistake. Second, is the common player. Admittedly, this change hinders anyone with no prior knowledge to Star Wars RP. They’ve successfully moved from those little guys who are taking in everything, to bottom feeders who have to get in line in their trek towards progression. Those new guys will need to pour a lot of dedication and time in if they want to get anything meaningful over their concerningly high gmod numbers now. With all that said, I apologize for the passive aggressive tone, but this entire thread is completely hilarious from the outside. I realize what’s at stake, which is your ranks you’ve grinded so hard for, but this is the biggest step towards achieving both something unique and something that benefits a server with such unstable numbers. Give it chance for a few days or weeks. Doesn’t work out after that time? Now start grabbing your torches and pitchforks, because you’ll have actual evidence and validation to these claims. I’m not saying some of you aren’t justified now, as I said I see a lot of good points, but everyone here is so hot headed. Relax, talk to each other.

LMAO Call me crazy but rank climbing on gmod swrp servers is what incentivizes 60% of new players to join a battalion and play on the server. No amount of super epic events and broken 100 dollar store bought weapons will make a new player interested in joining a community. Your forgetting the importance of the fluff that exists to generate a larger amount of creative freedom within battalions on how they function. Battalion culture does revolve around ranks one way or another. Not every battalion can be like SOBDE, where nobody cares about rank inside the battalion. 50% cut off of ranks which is the most influential system in the entire server which serves as a basis for all roleplay to occur... without any community consolation on the change before being done???? Another massive change that will cause more problems than it fixes.

I think we need to bring back TR3, TR2 and TR1

Noticing yall complaining about useless ranks that 3/4 of all battalions barely used/fast promote past it 💀

Remove them. Merits suck and are not fun at all. Promote on standards and skill not points.

Overall, it's a pretty understandable changes that will in the long run probably be for the best with a minor tweak here and there after everyone adjusts. XO was cringe, always was, and always will be, and that's a hill that I will die on. Anyways, good luck everybody, and an obligatory before things get real autistically spicy. On another note, I will be chilling out eating my popcorn and may God be with you to those moderating this thread.

Yeah most of them are probably CG docs, since they have about 100 of them

People need to stop caring about promotions. You get on to roleplay not to be promoted. Your rank literally means nothing. its made up for a star wars Rp server. This makes everything so much simpler.

Dawg I tried to get demoted but it was the minimum to be a lore character. The server runs so much better when people just roleplay. None of the other shit matters if people only roleplay. I have help plenty of high positions on the server and none of them were near as fun as being Wrecker.

Thanks for speaking about it. From my perspective about it this would make the current ranks have more significance. As stated, most the ranks were merely fillers and with the current state it would still take a while to get promoted. I think the best way is just to play this out for a few weeks. If it doesn't end up working we should try to bring it up in either the next Community Meeting or request a meet with Marvel. Honestly, starting to think people aren't as mad about the reduction in ranks but are just using it as an excuse to bitch about something.

I can sorta agree that yeah there are some useless ranks that could have been rid of, such as SSG, MSG, 1LT, but I do think you guys went a little too ham on this one. I think a little bit more foresight would be in order, as there was some genuine purpose in some of the ranks removed. This may just pertain to my specific style, however, these should have stayed: XO - this, to me, was there specifically so there's one person in charge. Two people provides a potential point of contention in my opinion. There is a pretty good quote I remember from a the movie Ford vs. Ferrari, "-you can’t win a race by committee. You need one man in charge." WO - Again, this may have been just my style, but I really appreciated having a rank that could be dedicated to running the NCOs as if they were a BCMD themselves, and WO was it as there could only be one. While the argument could be made that this is still possible if you just give a LT the job, making the WO a singular position made it feel more special to me. CSM - Kind of piggybacks off my WO argument. If the WO is the "BCMD" of the NCOs, then the need an XO, and the CSM was it. Also, what happens to existing battalions that have 3 or 4 CMDs? Guess some BCMDs have some decisions to make on who to demote, that's a rough position to be in. I do not envy them.

This whole thread has me like

Tbh I think its a "ok" change, I don't like it nor do I hate it but, I do think the community should have been consulted and idk maybe a forum post before asking the opinions on the subject and even going as far as to make a poll to see what people think. Tbh I kind of feel like making decisions between just staff / high staff [ Idk who made the decisions for this ] is kind of the reason why we get such negative feed back when you guys try to change things up.

This is spot on. The change itself isn't the issue for me, the fact that no one was consulted about it is the issue. Idk why Management hasn't realized that making these unilateral changes without asking anyone's opinion just makes things worse, no matter how good you think the change might be. I don't know what the reason is, but there's a clear lack of communication from Management and it needs to improve, or these threads are going to become the new norm, and I don't think anyone really wants unpopular changes to be publicly rebuked all the time.

Back in my day I didn't watch TV. I listened to the neighbor's static radio, and I liked it!!!

How come this wasn't Community voted or Meeting about this?

Three NCO ranks? Three officer ranks? You realize how long it'll take to be promoted now? We're trying to move forward, not leave people stuck behind and feeling burnt out. Even as a past BCMD, there was freedom to move people up. Two CMDs, no XO? Why?? This is incredibly limiting. What happens to people in the ranks that got removed? This is one change I can't find a single reason to support. Change it back. Please. -1 if you couldn't tell.

Hello. I'm going to keep this short and sweet but after a quick discussion (honestly this has been discussed for years at this point) we in server leadership have decided to cut down on the amount of Clone ranks we have on the server. The new list of ranks will follow as such: (Included side by side comparison of Navy, Jedi, and Senate ranks) Marshal Commander - Chancellor Palpatine Regimental Commander - Admiral - Yoda - Governer Battalion Commander Commander (Limit of 2 per Batt) - Rear Admiral - Jedi Overseer - Mas Amedda Major - Captain - Jedi Master Captain - Commander - Senator Lieutenant - Lieutenant Warrant Officer - Ensign Sergeant Major - Master Chief Petty Officer - Jedi Knight Sergeant First Class - Chief Petty Officer Sergeant - Petty Officer Corporal - Crewman - Jedi Padawan Specialist - Crewman Apprentice Private - Recruit Clone Cadet The goal behind these changes is to just cut down on all the bloat in ranks and progression on the server. There is an actual crazy amount of NCO ranks that have no purpose on the server other than prolonging progression on the server. Obviously with these changes promotions won't be as common and will feel more special and meaningful rather than just another step towards officer. If you have any questions or concerns as always leave a comment or feel free to talk to me privately!

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Honestly, I see value in the filler ranks. It makes you feel good when you play the server and then get a promotion up to your next rank. It's nice to have a short term goal to work towards. The only value of filler ranks is that you get that little dopamine of "hehe my name called switch my title" every once and a while. I understand why you'd do it, and it's not a horrible idea, but I think it's more beneficial to leave the ranks as is. Sure the ranks aren't necessary or serve any different roles from one right next to it, but I didn't think that was the point of having more ranks. Not every rank has to be entirely different. I feel like this change only makes merits and requirements more vital. Since there are less ranks, commanders are more hesitant to promote faster. This means that many battalions will likely have set criteria to get you promoted to the next rank as they already do, except jacked up. You will be more judged based off statistics then roleplay, as promotions are more meaningful and therefore its less likely you'll get one for being exceptional in an event or doing some strong roleplay. Merits and requirements to get promoted to your next meaningless rank is stupid and I think it should be entirely based on how well you do in roleplay and real stuff that matters. I think this system harms that. It just makes you less likely to get promoted for the real stuff, and more likely to get promoted for stats. I do think this is a positive change in a large sense, but I think there was no harm in the old way either. Either way is good I think, as long as it's handled well.

Does this mean we are getting chat back

GUYS JAYARR SAID MY OPINION MATTERS, EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG

So those who don't know. Jedi Overseers (Our High Command), isn't even getting Commander equivalent. That's right, the people who lead the order are on the same level as Normal masters. Council Member is fairly different to master but isn't recognised at all. Marvels reason? We are taking this too literally and we can still have our silly ranks and the ranks are little.. His words. Not only is this incredibly tone death, but it is insulting to those jedi that have been put in these position and is seen as an achievement among jedi as they lead the order in absence of yoda and within the past month or 2, this exactly is what happened. Battalion high command gets its cmd.. overseers get Maj like all masters. Knights go from Nco to senior officer in 1 rank change. For those who don't know, master compared to over a year ago is a much easier rank to get, you just have to lead a battalion jedi or a branch and you automatically get master with no vote, the branch and military overseer do this, (which by the way they no longer can cause they can't promote to their own rank.). Once a jedi master progresses, they are given an option of an interview for council member, this gets similar to how a commander interview works, upon passing they then gain voting powers, suggestion changes and being able to apply for overseer. They are the true senior officers of jedi, while master is junior officer. But this rank is now no longer recognised and is an internal rank when in reality these new ranks don't reflect how the jedi work at all. I think this is so simple to change but the issue is its being refused and our ranks are now being undermined and devalued. This is what it should be: Yoda as Reg Overseers as CMD while windu is internally 2nd in command Jedi Council Member as maj/captain Jedi master as lt Jedi knight as nco Jedi padawan as enlisted. With this we have a rank in every category and doesn't create a massive jump between knight and master and recognised Council Member as a legitimate rank which it is within jedi. It would also recognise Overseers as commander and make it clearer they are our high command, while not undermining them the same as master. 2 changes and its being refused, from a opinion that isn't even correct and has only removed part of jedis structure and forced internally and undermines its importance. These arnt silly ranks, they are crucial and essential to the jedi and are not small at all.

Isn't it weird most of the community doesn't agree? Maybe you people should have conversations before making strange out of the blue changes for us I dunno how long it will take you to learn this lesson but literally no one likes being surprised with being decisions even if they agree with them. This affects everyone and opinions are extremely divided but seemingly largerly oppose this most extreme option. Maybe ask us before you do it? There's literally zero harm except a week lost Also, no one is gonna get SGT for its meaningful role. You're just ruining literally the most addicting part of swrp because none of HC+ have experienced it in about 3 years, you guys aren't the players when will you realise this?

Can we please STOP fucking making changes without involving the community or least some input? This is like the second or third time this year this has happened and each time you guys claim you'll do better. Then that gets thrown out the window couple of months later.

Damn @Marvelbeing a director is not good for your Forum rep. Adding on a message so @Guacdoesn't hide this, This change is fine, but i think we could use a couple more ranks to buffer it. Some promotions may have felt insignificant but at least you knew you were being promoted. If we had a couple more ranks i do feel this would be a much better change as JO is 1 rank.

PVT < SPC < CPL < SGT < SFC < SGM < WO < LT < CPT < Major < COL personally this is what I feel would work, but thats just me ;)

yikes not cool -1 on a real note though, I think SOME trimming was needed, however this is too much imo. Oh also bring back Vice Admiral please!

The purpose of the ranks is completely up to the leaders of the battalion, These ranks and the previous ranks are likely different depending on what battalion you belong, A Warrant Officer of 212th could be completely different to one of lets say the 104th. The Battalions have always chosen their purpose for ranks, Not High Command. It has not been universal in my time. The names really mean fuck all and rather its the permissions that come with it, I could call Battalion Commander, Super Grand Trooper and it still be the same thing. its a damn name Side note, Junior Officer is stuck in 1 rank and has no way of progression unless they are good enough to step up to Senior Officer. Overall I think this rank stuff is very half baked and should of taken community reaction and feedback first. once again this is a set back for High Command.

This feels familiar.... Community not talked to.... big change with no input... huh....

Give me a purpose for every current rank, I'll drop the purpose for these ranks in a few mins.

Generally CSM are the people i expect to be active and become my next WO. SGT tends to be the new players who are learning to log things and be leaders within the battalion. (just answering the question nothin else) That's how i use the two ranks anyways.

Bruh everything is opinion based. Thats like how the whole world works.

The change will impact every battalion, promotion rates won't stay the same.

Please give me the difference of PVT, PFC, SPC, and CPL, the difference of 1st and 2nd LT, and the difference between MAJ, LTCOL, and COL

I like this change. Ranks where too bloated and didn't mean anything. Whats the difference betweeen SGT and CSM?

Yes, but now promotion will slow down by a huge margin. People will be stuck in ranks for *weeks* dude. It's still a race for highest rank, that's why a lot of people play and stay active. To be PROMOTED. The buffers helped you learn and gain more experience.

Plz add third commander

Well then what was the point in getting merits and TIG? whats to point of trying to get a higher rank if your taking a 3 rank equivalent drop you have stripped us of progress

-1 I don't see how this will help the server in the slightest Having the amount of ranks we used to have was so much more beneficial, people could have a reason to get on so they could be promoted to the next rank and keep ranking up. Now, with less ranks, there will be less promotions and less motivation for some people to get on. Sure we're evolving, we're just evolving backwards. Questions: 1) What "server leadership" is involved in this discussion 2) Why was this considered at all, and what are the "benefits" of downsizing the ranks 3) Why was the community not consulted before this happened? I don't like what this server is becoming.

I'm honestly fucking up my wording rn but essentially the idea is that instead of one singular person that takes over in the absence of a BCMD the 2 CMDs would be in charge. Just so there isn't this turtle neck system of CoC and teamwork makes the dreamwork i couldnt find the words for this

3-6 Months from now a regimental or marshal will put forward: "I think it's time we switch up the regiments" Screenshot this!

ah yes big empty court yeard full of droids, very fun! you actaully couldn't see the views because half the map would disappear into a thick grey void so you couldn't see halfway down the court yard from MHB -1, onderon is a million times better than the snoozefest that was anaxes

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+1 Maybe replace them with Null or something idk.

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Warrant Officer has been added

RP name: Cale/Backslash Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:169994174 Staff member Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:75099830 Staff member's wrong doing: abusing physics gun. the situation: I was in MHB i was a player dressed as a Bantha named "Bantha." so naturally i said "cool a bantha" he whips a 180 pulls out a physics gun and drags me away and starts putting me into the brig, since this wasn't a RP situation I just swapped characters to my Jedi, then when I left the Dorm he TPed to me then and physic gun's me into the stone in the Jedi temple main area and just leaves me there unable to move so i swapped characters again and now he left me alone. so now i'm filling out the form

OH COME ON I JUST GOT PROMOTED TO WO

yo dawg chill with the meat riding please