[Denied] Arroyo's Ban Appeal

[Arroyo]

Name: Arroyo
Steam ID:  76561198013586253 
Ban Reason: MRDM
Date of Ban: 5/17/23
Length of Ban: 5 days
Staff Member(s) Involved: Kaiser |  Ollie 
Reason(s) why we should accept your appeal:  During this situation, in the Coruscant Guard teamspeak I was joking around with another member in which they said I will get paid 3 mil to shoot the rocket. I was not going to actually shoot the rocket but I just pointed it at the floor and later swapped over to my hands in which the same time it shot the rocket as I swapped over to my hands.  In the sit I tried to explain that I swapped over to my hands and it was not my intention to shoot.  However, I was told that it was still my fault and not a server glitch.  In the own video, you can see that the rps gets holstered as it shoots simultaneously (timestamp 0:15).  I honestly do not know what else to say except that this was not an intentional mass rdm and instead something that should not have even happened.

Evidence to support your claims: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/19M8N1UmEZ0Tew/vQiUPDlv5zx3?invite=cr-MSxjeWMsMTg0NDIyNTY2LA

[Arroyo 208]

Name: Arroyo
Steam ID:  76561198013586253 
Ban Reason: MRDM
Date of Ban: 5/17/23
Length of Ban: 5 days
Staff Member(s) Involved: Kaiser |  Ollie 
Reason(s) why we should accept your appeal:  During this situation, in the Coruscant Guard teamspeak I was joking around with another member in which they said I will get paid 3 mil to shoot the rocket. I was not going to actually shoot the rocket but I just pointed it at the floor and later swapped over to my hands in which the same time it shot the rocket as I swapped over to my hands.  In the sit I tried to explain that I swapped over to my hands and it was not my intention to shoot.  However, I was told that it was still my fault and not a server glitch.  In the own video, you can see that the rps gets holstered as it shoots simultaneously (timestamp 0:15).  I honestly do not know what else to say except that this was not an intentional mass rdm and instead something that should not have even happened.

Evidence to support your claims: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/19M8N1UmEZ0Tew/vQiUPDlv5zx3?invite=cr-MSxjeWMsMTg0NDIyNTY2LA

[Marvel]

I'll let the community vote and give any feedback they wish but I want to state something that's bugged me for a long time now with HVO and it's quite simple actually:

Too many people get this job and fuck around with it until they eventually slip up and find out. The rocket launcher isn't something to joke around with. It kills people. Too many HVOs just pull it out as a stupid joke 90% of the time or just simply walk around with it out for no reason. The only time an HVO should have their rocket launcher out is when they are going to use it on a vehicle or a large group of enemies. To me personally this has always been something that I thought would just fall under the 'Common Sense' rule but that hasn't been the case so it's sadly something that's probably going to have to end up a specific written rule over this.

Your decision to pull a rocket launcher out in the middle of a large group preparing for an event is on YOU. Not the server. You made the conscious decision to pull a weapon out that very easily killed upwards to 25 people for an extremely silly joke. I'm not just harping on you Arroyo about this every HVO is guilty to making these goofy jokes but it has to come to an end very soon.

Anyways everyone is free to vote or give feedback on the appeal. We'll try to have it sorted and contact you about it hopefully by tomorrow evening or Friday.

[Marvel 3,308]

I'll let the community vote and give any feedback they wish but I want to state something that's bugged me for a long time now with HVO and it's quite simple actually:

Too many people get this job and fuck around with it until they eventually slip up and find out. The rocket launcher isn't something to joke around with. It kills people. Too many HVOs just pull it out as a stupid joke 90% of the time or just simply walk around with it out for no reason. The only time an HVO should have their rocket launcher out is when they are going to use it on a vehicle or a large group of enemies. To me personally this has always been something that I thought would just fall under the 'Common Sense' rule but that hasn't been the case so it's sadly something that's probably going to have to end up a specific written rule over this.

Your decision to pull a rocket launcher out in the middle of a large group preparing for an event is on YOU. Not the server. You made the conscious decision to pull a weapon out that very easily killed upwards to 25 people for an extremely silly joke. I'm not just harping on you Arroyo about this every HVO is guilty to making these goofy jokes but it has to come to an end very soon.

Anyways everyone is free to vote or give feedback on the appeal. We'll try to have it sorted and contact you about it hopefully by tomorrow evening or Friday.

[Hector]

3 minutes ago, Marvel said:

Your decision to pull a rocket launcher out in the middle of a large group preparing for an event is on YOU. Not the server. You made the conscious decision to pull a weapon out that very easily killed upwards to 25 people for an extremely silly joke. 

Summed up very nicely

 

[Hector 83]

3 minutes ago, Marvel said:

Your decision to pull a rocket launcher out in the middle of a large group preparing for an event is on YOU. Not the server. You made the conscious decision to pull a weapon out that very easily killed upwards to 25 people for an extremely silly joke. 

Summed up very nicely

 

[Mystic]

Ngl. Like Marvel said you fucked around and found out.

While i sympathize with the accidental MRDM It is still your fault for playing around. Now you'll know not to mess around with the RPS. 

-1

[Mystic 1,496]

Ngl. Like Marvel said you fucked around and found out.

While i sympathize with the accidental MRDM It is still your fault for playing around. Now you'll know not to mess around with the RPS. 

-1

[Fishy]

-1, CG needs to be held to the same standard as everyone else

Edited May 18, 2023 by Fishy
changed mind

[Fishy 14]

-1, CG needs to be held to the same standard as everyone else

Edited May 18, 2023 by Fishy
changed mind

[Super_]

-1 25 people is alot accident or not 

Edited May 18, 2023 by SuperTrooper110

[Super_ 76]

-1 25 people is alot accident or not 

Edited May 18, 2023 by SuperTrooper110

[Kortnul]

-1 I agree with Marvel in the sense even if it's a joke or not you still pulled out the RPS-6 and fired it. 

[Kortnul 151]

-1 I agree with Marvel in the sense even if it's a joke or not you still pulled out the RPS-6 and fired it. 

[luci4]

+1 - Everyone needs to wake up and realise CG's job is difficult, accidents happen, grow up :D
Any other battalion that this could've happened to wouldn't have been disrespected or "held to a higher standard", they would be flooded with +1's. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by luci4
Had more things to inform people about.

[luci4 15]

+1 - Everyone needs to wake up and realise CG's job is difficult, accidents happen, grow up :D
Any other battalion that this could've happened to wouldn't have been disrespected or "held to a higher standard", they would be flooded with +1's. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by luci4
Had more things to inform people about.

[Boof]

-1 yall bringing battalion into this when it doesn't matter. Rules are rules everyone is expected to obey them.

[Boof 117]

-1 yall bringing battalion into this when it doesn't matter. Rules are rules everyone is expected to obey them.

[Marvel]

I don't know why CG was brought into this post as it has nothing to do with the battalion. For the people claiming CG should be better, don't be ignorant and for the people claiming this wouldn't of happened to anyone else I can guarantee you that even if this was a member of High Command the result would have been the same. Please keep votes and discussion relevant to the situation that occurred and the player in question, not any specific group or battalion.

[Marvel 3,308]

I don't know why CG was brought into this post as it has nothing to do with the battalion. For the people claiming CG should be better, don't be ignorant and for the people claiming this wouldn't of happened to anyone else I can guarantee you that even if this was a member of High Command the result would have been the same. Please keep votes and discussion relevant to the situation that occurred and the player in question, not any specific group or battalion.

[Soccer]

23 hours ago, luci4 said:

+1 - Everyone needs to wake up and realise CG's job is difficult, accidents happen, grow up :D

so is this a -1 or a +1 bc i see both

 

I saw a -1 and a +1 post that's why I was confused 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Soccer
Added stuff

[Soccer 48]

23 hours ago, luci4 said:

+1 - Everyone needs to wake up and realise CG's job is difficult, accidents happen, grow up :D

so is this a -1 or a +1 bc i see both

 

I saw a -1 and a +1 post that's why I was confused 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Soccer
Added stuff

[luci4]

2 minutes ago, Soccer said:

so is this a -1 or a +1 bc i see both

+1

[luci4 15]

2 minutes ago, Soccer said:

so is this a -1 or a +1 bc i see both

+1

[Hector]

-1 
His fault he had it out and was messing around with other people. Could have been avoided if he never brought it out and was messing around in the first place.

 

[Hector 83]

-1 
His fault he had it out and was messing around with other people. Could have been avoided if he never brought it out and was messing around in the first place.

 

[Fars]

-1 HVO's should know not to pull their rockets out in especially crowded areas. It should be made a point, regardless of what battalion. CG especially is needing to be held to a higher standard because of their role in the server.

Miclick or not you still killed a ton of people.

[Fars 37]

-1 HVO's should know not to pull their rockets out in especially crowded areas. It should be made a point, regardless of what battalion. CG especially is needing to be held to a higher standard because of their role in the server.

Miclick or not you still killed a ton of people.

[Stockings]

+1 
I think despite this, and while I agree with what Marvel has said in this thread about the HVO job and how it needs to be taken more seriously.  We've seen staff members receive 0 punishment when blowing up debrief with the large cannon tool gun ability several times.  It's always irked me how some people who are renowned in the community or are staff members have had the chance to avoid being banned while killing/disrupting the server.  

I believe it's only fair that we enforce the rules for all instead of just on some. 

[Stockings 973]

+1 
I think despite this, and while I agree with what Marvel has said in this thread about the HVO job and how it needs to be taken more seriously.  We've seen staff members receive 0 punishment when blowing up debrief with the large cannon tool gun ability several times.  It's always irked me how some people who are renowned in the community or are staff members have had the chance to avoid being banned while killing/disrupting the server.  

I believe it's only fair that we enforce the rules for all instead of just on some. 

[Arizona]

I do agree what he did was dumbbbbb but like many people have done the same thing and haven’t gotten bans like this i just don’t see this as very fair as punishments are so up and down with this pretty much depends who the person is who did it. 

+1 he’s human people make mistakes also it’s a video game 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Arizona
Worded my response more respectful

[Arizona 151]

I do agree what he did was dumbbbbb but like many people have done the same thing and haven’t gotten bans like this i just don’t see this as very fair as punishments are so up and down with this pretty much depends who the person is who did it. 

+1 he’s human people make mistakes also it’s a video game 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Arizona
Worded my response more respectful

[Spaghetti]

+1 a 5 day ban is way too long imo, a 1 day ban would have sent the same message while also allowing him to return sooner. I see long bans as a tool to keep minges away for a long period of time so they get bored and don't bother coming back. Before anyone says that we should treat minges like everyone else, I disagree in regards to banning. We ban minges because they will most likely be repeat offenders and their intent is to ruin the fun for others on the server.  Situations like this or what happened with gears are incredibly different as it was a one time thing that most likely won't happen again. Its not necessarily about their rank or time spent on the server, we just know that people who have played on the server for a while and done a lot aren't likely to attempt to ruin the fun for others.

I just think intent should be taken into account when banning

[Spaghetti 162]

+1 a 5 day ban is way too long imo, a 1 day ban would have sent the same message while also allowing him to return sooner. I see long bans as a tool to keep minges away for a long period of time so they get bored and don't bother coming back. Before anyone says that we should treat minges like everyone else, I disagree in regards to banning. We ban minges because they will most likely be repeat offenders and their intent is to ruin the fun for others on the server.  Situations like this or what happened with gears are incredibly different as it was a one time thing that most likely won't happen again. Its not necessarily about their rank or time spent on the server, we just know that people who have played on the server for a while and done a lot aren't likely to attempt to ruin the fun for others.

I just think intent should be taken into account when banning

[Aeon]

+1 25 is a fucking W shoot for 40 next time

[Aeon 106]

+1 25 is a fucking W shoot for 40 next time

[Tim]

+1 dude is a CG they get minimum pay. would have done the same thing

[Tim 14]

+1 dude is a CG they get minimum pay. would have done the same thing

[Gears]

14 hours ago, Marvel said:

The rocket launcher isn't something to joke around with. It kills people. Too many HVOs just pull it out as a stupid joke 90% of the time or just simply walk around with it out for no reason.

I dont get this. I remember this being the golden rule for being ARF or ARC back in the day. You dont pull out your RPS unless you intend on firing it. This was routinely beat into your head so you understood it. Whatever happened to this standard.

This Ban Appeal is a massive teachable moment, We should be stricter on fucking around. we need to bring back proper etiquette for pulling out weapons.

Now id be a massive hypocrite if I didnt +1 this. Arroyo is a long time member, I dont personally believe he did this in a malicious way. But we just had my ban appeal completely unanimous (besides the shitposters) saying that it was an accident and my ban was too harsh, yet here we are again and suddenly people are changing their opinion? I got 24 hours, I deserved the 24 hours for not taking enough care and plus I caused a massive headache behind the scenes. But 5 Days? Seriously? I feel my ban is no different to this situation.

This is Staff taking the max ban length and assigning it to every situation. The punishment guidelines say UP TO 5 DAYS, Why is an accidental MassRDM, who fucked around getting the same length as someone who would maliciously Mass RDM in the effort to cause an incident. Either Staff need to have their guidelines checked at or something needs to be done to the guidelines so that its not set to the maxinum ban length every time.

The guy fucked around, found out and got shit on for it. 48 Hour Ban at most. Let them man free. 

+1

Edited May 18, 2023 by Gears

[Gears 548]

14 hours ago, Marvel said:

The rocket launcher isn't something to joke around with. It kills people. Too many HVOs just pull it out as a stupid joke 90% of the time or just simply walk around with it out for no reason.

I dont get this. I remember this being the golden rule for being ARF or ARC back in the day. You dont pull out your RPS unless you intend on firing it. This was routinely beat into your head so you understood it. Whatever happened to this standard.

This Ban Appeal is a massive teachable moment, We should be stricter on fucking around. we need to bring back proper etiquette for pulling out weapons.

Now id be a massive hypocrite if I didnt +1 this. Arroyo is a long time member, I dont personally believe he did this in a malicious way. But we just had my ban appeal completely unanimous (besides the shitposters) saying that it was an accident and my ban was too harsh, yet here we are again and suddenly people are changing their opinion? I got 24 hours, I deserved the 24 hours for not taking enough care and plus I caused a massive headache behind the scenes. But 5 Days? Seriously? I feel my ban is no different to this situation.

This is Staff taking the max ban length and assigning it to every situation. The punishment guidelines say UP TO 5 DAYS, Why is an accidental MassRDM, who fucked around getting the same length as someone who would maliciously Mass RDM in the effort to cause an incident. Either Staff need to have their guidelines checked at or something needs to be done to the guidelines so that its not set to the maxinum ban length every time.

The guy fucked around, found out and got shit on for it. 48 Hour Ban at most. Let them man free. 

+1

Edited May 18, 2023 by Gears

[KillJoy]

+1 shit happens 

[KillJoy 566]

+1 shit happens 

[Marvel]

Unfortunately your ban appeal has been DENIED.

For more information on why you were denied, please contact me or any Director+.

// LOCKED
// MOVED TO BAN APPEALS - DENIED

[Marvel 3,308]

Unfortunately your ban appeal has been DENIED.

For more information on why you were denied, please contact me or any Director+.

// LOCKED
// MOVED TO BAN APPEALS - DENIED