Stonebridge Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 Name: Stonebridge RP Rank: DSL SGM Stone Suggestion: Addition to weaponry DP24 for DS Troopers and Lore characters of DS reason for this suggestion is DS is unable to complete the mission of Defending senators and important Republic Items with the current weaponry available to them which consists of the DC-15a and DC-15s fighting the combatants we have to deal with proves to be difficult with our current kit. Implementation: Adding DP24 to DS trooper kit and DS lore characters Link to comment
KnightVR Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 +1 we need this for our Diplomatic Service troopers 1 Report Current: None | Former: Fox, Thire, Stone, BCMD, Veteran Admin, DSL, ARCLx2 Link to comment
Mystic Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) The DP24 won't fix this issue. You would need a bigger punch trust me. The DC-15A does 49 damage a shot with an RPM of 250. The DP-24 does 23 damage with an RPM of 668. It takes two shots for the DP-24 to do (close) to the same damage as the DC-15A. Which effectively means 1 bullet of the DC15A is 2 bullets of the DP-24. With that being said, the DP24 has bad bloom and poor hit registration on Gmod. The DC15A would be a general better use weapon than the DP24. Everyone deals with the same weapon issues as you. Also, Don't your lore characters get seperate loadouts? Why give them the DP24 if they already have a kit? +1 for unique sub-unit weapons, but not this, it won't fix your issue. -1 Edited March 14, 2023 by Mystic 3 Report Longest Special Operations Member on the server. Current: Alpha 98 Nate l Mace Windu Former: Cin Drallig l First Yayax Squad Yover l Foxtrot Commando l 2nd GM BCMD Bacara l Serra Keto l Final SO Commander Jet l First & Last Devil Dogs Deadeye l Veteran Admin l Jedi General Plo Koon l 2nd Returning SO CMD Jet l Luminara Unduli l Wolfpack MAJ Boost l Kit Fisto l Trauma's Unit MED Mystic l Jedi Military Advisor l Omega 36 PVT Darman l High General Shaak Ti l Jedi Chief Instructor Link to comment
Arizona Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 +1 yeah its cool but a lightsaber rifle would be better 1 Report Link to comment
Alucard Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 -1 im sorry but if you cant defend senators with your current loadouts you need some more trainings cause it aint hard to protect a senator 1 1 1 1 Report Former Luminara Unduli 41st BCMD Gree Link to comment
Arizona Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, Alucard said: -1 im sorry but if you cant defend senators with your current loadouts you need some more trainings cause it aint hard to protect a senator If you think that then you haven't been a DS defending a senator against BHs lol 1 Report Link to comment
Alucard Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, Arizona said: If you think that then you haven't been a DS defending a senator against BHs lol I have been in shock and try defending them against Sith also its not hard to kill BHs 1 1 Report Former Luminara Unduli 41st BCMD Gree Link to comment
Arizona Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, Alucard said: I have been in shock and try defending them against Sith also its not hard to kill BHs Sith dont have RC shotguns but its okay ik yall dont wanna see us winnin fr fr 1 Report Link to comment
Stonebridge Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mystic said: The DP24 won't fix this issue. You would need a bigger punch trust me. The DC-15A does 49 damage a shot with an RPM of 250. The DP-24 does 23 damage with an RPM of 668. It takes two shots for the DP-24 to do (close) to the same damage as the DC-15A. Which effectively means 1 bullet of the DC15A is 2 bullets of the DP-24. With that being said, the DP24 has bad bloom and poor hit registration on Gmod. The DC15A would be a general better use weapon than the DP24. Everyone deals with the same weapon issues as you. +1 for unique sub-unit weapons, and this if you guys REALLY want it but this won't fix your issue. While yes the DC-15A dose 49 damage a shot and 250 RPM The DP-24 dose 23 Damage has 80 rounds at RPM of 668. This will allows us to have a greater volume of fire making greater chance of hitting the target and neutralizing the threat four DS or more with this weapon is 320 rounds and 2,672 Rpm we have tested this in sims and believe it will become a vital piece of our kit Link to comment
Mystic Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stonebridge said: While yes the DC-15A dose 49 damage a shot and 250 RPM The DP-24 dose 23 Damage has 80 rounds at RPM of 668. This will allows us to have a greater volume of fire making greater chance of hitting the target and neutralizing the threat four DS or more with this weapon is 320 rounds and 2,672 Rpm we have tested this in sims and believe it will become a vital piece of our kit You're also missing the fact there is an inherent damage reduction on everything on the server. So the DP24 doesn't do 23 damage., and the DC15A doesn't do 49 damage. So you're missing alot more damage on those blank shots than you can count. Either way it goes you can't accurately test any weapon on Garry's Mod. So the stats were throwing around probably aren't even accurate. Unfortunately my opinion doesn't change. I think DS may need buffed, but this gun isn't the buff you're looking for. It also lacks range which is something the DC pair has on the DP24 Edited March 14, 2023 by Mystic 1 Report Longest Special Operations Member on the server. Current: Alpha 98 Nate l Mace Windu Former: Cin Drallig l First Yayax Squad Yover l Foxtrot Commando l 2nd GM BCMD Bacara l Serra Keto l Final SO Commander Jet l First & Last Devil Dogs Deadeye l Veteran Admin l Jedi General Plo Koon l 2nd Returning SO CMD Jet l Luminara Unduli l Wolfpack MAJ Boost l Kit Fisto l Trauma's Unit MED Mystic l Jedi Military Advisor l Omega 36 PVT Darman l High General Shaak Ti l Jedi Chief Instructor Link to comment
Edgar Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 I am currently in between whether to vote on this or not, while I do personally think Diplomatic Services need a weapon for something such as to deal with BH, I don’t think this would be the best weapon for this, I think a weapon more like a shotgun instead would serve a better purpose. (Also both Dire Squad and Diplomatic Services having this would be kinda goofy because then both DS abbreviated squads would have the same weapon lol) Future Adult! Link to comment
Stonebridge Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 16 hours ago, Mystic said: You're also missing the fact there is an inherent damage reduction on everything on the server. So the DP24 doesn't do 23 damage., and the DC15A doesn't do 49 damage. So you're missing alot more damage on those blank shots than you can count. Either way it goes you can't accurately test any weapon on Garry's Mod. So the stats were throwing around probably aren't even accurate. Unfortunately my opinion doesn't change. I think DS may need buffed, but this gun isn't the buff you're looking for. It also lacks range which is something the DC pair has on the DP24 So what other weapons are options for me to get for my men I cant get commando weapons cant get arc cant get enemy weapons cant get store weapons as far as I can see my options are DP24 DP23 if you have suggestions for something better I'm all ears Link to comment
Stonebridge Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Edgar said: I am currently in between whether to vote on this or not, while I do personally think Diplomatic Services need a weapon for something such as to deal with BH, I don’t think this would be the best weapon for this, I think a weapon more like a shotgun instead would serve a better purpose. (Also both Dire Squad and Diplomatic Services having this would be kinda goofy because then both DS abbreviated squads would have the same weapon lol) the only shotgun that I can get is the DP23 and it is not a good weapon its worse than the DP24 if you have a suggestion for a shotgun I'm not aware of I'm all ears Link to comment
Mystic Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, Stonebridge said: So what other weapons are options for me to get for my men I cant get commando weapons cant get arc cant get enemy weapons cant get store weapons as far as I can see my options are DP24 DP23 if you have suggestions for something better I'm all ears There is a whole weapon pack on the server you can go through. SR Basic is usually the pack people dig through. The DC17M and the Westar arent the only weapons on the server Longest Special Operations Member on the server. Current: Alpha 98 Nate l Mace Windu Former: Cin Drallig l First Yayax Squad Yover l Foxtrot Commando l 2nd GM BCMD Bacara l Serra Keto l Final SO Commander Jet l First & Last Devil Dogs Deadeye l Veteran Admin l Jedi General Plo Koon l 2nd Returning SO CMD Jet l Luminara Unduli l Wolfpack MAJ Boost l Kit Fisto l Trauma's Unit MED Mystic l Jedi Military Advisor l Omega 36 PVT Darman l High General Shaak Ti l Jedi Chief Instructor Link to comment
Guac Posted March 14, 2023 Forum Admin Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 I don't think this will solve your issue regarding a PvP balance. -1 🎀 𝙵𝚊𝚛𝚝 𝚂𝚖𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚊 🎀 <3 Link to comment
Aeon Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 -1 DS is just for RP not combat 2 1 1 Report Link to comment
Comics Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, Aeon said: -1 DS is just for RP not combat Me telling this to the president's secret service "no the guns don't work they're for RP purposes" -1, a worse gun won't improve the server or personal issues DS has 2 Report The most fuckable person on Synergy Star Wars RP~ Link to comment
Glory22 Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Hm, I do think that some good points are made here from all sides. I would think that a better thing would be to utilize your shields more often. Also, the DP24 is not going to do much against the shotgun or some of the other weaponry available to people willing to fork out the money for it. As someone primarily guarded by SG and DS, I do think some improvement could be made, however most of the time I see attacks from Separatists / NPCs affecting us rather than by BHs. I've heard and seen that the hitbox on your shield is very bad when it is being held by DS until it is placed. Perhaps a better avenue would be to improve the protection offered by the shield when it is being held or when people are moving around with it, which would make the shield something used much more often and taken advantage of both for you guys and if/when DU comes back (until that time, the shield is something totally unique to DS and is a cool draw that I feel is underused). It's shown in the clone wars to be extremely good when being held and offering near total protection to those using it, and I see it being used well during trainings, but I very rarely see it used in events or during normal times due to these lackings. Not going to vote as either way would be a benefit to some extent for you guys, but that is my take on the matter: Rather than add this weapon (which is by most accounts, mine included, a downgrade to the DC15A/S) improve the shield's hitbox and protection which would enable much more RP and tactical combat! 1 Report Current: Nothing Former Vice Chairman Mas Amedda | Former Senior Senator Meena Tills | Former 41st BCMD Gree (Shrimp) | Former 501st Major Kix | Former Senior Admin Link to comment
Stonebridge Posted March 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) Ok well it obvious to me no one is going to agree with this so if i make a new suggestion with this shield in it where we can actually shoot while holding the shield what is your opinions on this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2120369947&searchtext=star+wars+shields it requires two addons though so dont know if that would be problem if I was to make a new suggestion for this shield but want opinions Edited March 15, 2023 by Stonebridge Link to comment
Naffen Posted March 15, 2023 Forum Admin Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Make another suggestion 1 Report I added the Pepe emojis onto the forums Link to comment
Rohan Posted March 15, 2023 Head Admin Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/14/2023 at 4:05 AM, Stonebridge said: reason for this suggestion is DS is unable to complete the mission of Defending senators and important Republic Items with the current weaponry available to them which consists of the DC-15a and DC-15s fighting the combatants Adding a weapon with higher RPM and way lower damage isn't gonna fix your issue of not being able to do the RP job you have, -1 DC-15A, shooting at a player DP-24, shooting a player Current: Head Admin | Specialized Regimental Commander Link to comment
Rohan Posted March 15, 2023 Head Admin Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Stonebridge said: the only shotgun that I can get is the DP23 and it is not a good weapon its worse than the DP24 if you have a suggestion for a shotgun I'm not aware of I'm all ears I actually think the DP23 is an amazing weapon you can get on the base kit! Here is an example of what it can do. The first screenshot will be from close range. Think about 5 meters. The second one is the distance of the gap between medbay and the first set of boxes on the sim room side If you wanna test it you can always ask an admin in game for it and see how it feels, or personally, I can set you up with some encounter like sim and you can run in that with it to test it's use case in an actual scenario you may encounter :) 2 Report Current: Head Admin | Specialized Regimental Commander Link to comment
Spaghetti Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 the job I have comes with the DP-23 and I use it a lot more at close ranges than I use the DC-15A or S. it is a good gun when the server pop is low but once there are more than 50 people on the server only 60% of your shots will actually register and the S is a more reliable option. I like the idea of DS getting a new weapon to deal with BH but I also think it should be a more "specialized" weapon like a sniper, shotgun or the shield that you can use while shooting that StoneBridge posted about. so -1 to this weapon Link to comment
Glory22 Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 14 hours ago, Stonebridge said: Ok well it obvious to me no one is going to agree with this so if i make a new suggestion with this shield in it where we can actually shoot while holding the shield what is your opinions on this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2120369947&searchtext=star+wars+shields it requires two addons though so dont know if that would be problem if I was to make a new suggestion for this shield but want opinions That addon is bad and hardly works. Current shield is better and just needs some development to help improve it when you’re moving with it. Current: Nothing Former Vice Chairman Mas Amedda | Former Senior Senator Meena Tills | Former 41st BCMD Gree (Shrimp) | Former 501st Major Kix | Former Senior Admin Link to comment
Cox Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 -1 jus get better at pvp 🤦♂️ 3 2 2 Report Certified Giga Chad Link to comment
Buzz Posted May 15, 2023 Report Share Posted May 15, 2023 +1 I don't see this as an issue, let them have something as it isn't asking for a whole rework. It is a simple gun that is already in the server and is only used by the Officer whitelist which hardly gets used. Choose your place, hell or high water, there is no in between. Link to comment
Wosy Posted June 28, 2023 Systems Dev Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 This suggestion has been moved to REVIEW PHASE. (Suggestions that have been accepted by the community vote or through Founder approval and a concept is being created by the development team) Life Achievements Spoiler Xaze's Secretary Xaze's Girlfriend Xaze's Wife Link to comment
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