Add proning

[Piff]

Name: Piff

RP Rank: SGM

Suggestion: Adding Prone into the server

Implementation: Proning is something that i think would be nice to have on the server, it would help with a lot of things such as concealment and other RP related things inside of crouching, so for example, if you're a sniper, you'll be able to prone instead of crouching and it would make it harder for you to stand out than you usually would by just crouching.

Lore: N/A

Workshop content if applicable: Currently there is a few addons for proning
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1100368137
It seems a bit buggy which you know, so i would say custom would be nice, but that would have to looked at by founders.
(If no workshop content, suggest a developer or put "Require Development")

[Aeon]

+1

[Matt-Matthos]

+1 was thinking about maybe suggesting this. Looks cool

[Shockpoint]

Now, I know a lot of people are gonna -1 this as we had proning before, but people would use it in stupid situations so it got removed. If we make rules on when it can or can't be used, proning was wonderful for scouting, and Im sure 41st and the like would love to have it. Plus, immersion is dope
+1.

[Bleach]

+1

 

Cool :)

[Gaster]

+1 would be cool to see what people can do wit this. But put rules so people don't just go prone around everywhere

[Cubby]

+1 Would be cool to have this back, I am like pretty sure it was a thing, but I vaguely remember it.  

[Jack]

+1

[Scribbles]

While i think this is a good idea, lightsabers will never hit unless you have like, one specific move that hit in the floor that only happens to be in one skill tree or something, its a bit of a nightmare for melee users.  (assuming we're still using king david animations)

Had this before, however it broke sometimes where people (On their side) would be standing up, but others would just see a sprinting speed prone person, or someone would get stuck because their hitbox somehow is in the floor so the game wouldn't allow them to stand up.  (Would need admin assistance) 

Its a good idea in theory, the practice however tends to be messy at best, however as mentioned, if we dont use kind david swings anymore then i can see this being sorta alright.  (To be clear i am not against it, just because we had it before, it can be fun, however i was never aware if there were any technical issues in the code that came from prone so i'm only speaking from gameplay perspective). 

It takes about 2.5 seconds to stand up so if you get caught be an enemy sniper, you're fucked if you cant tank shots.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Scribbles

[Cox]

+1 gonna crawl in an FFA now instead of alt walk around the whole thing without dying 

[Spaghetti]

+1

[Bbstine]

Just repeating the past at this point.

We added proning as sort of a stress test and how it'd perform on the server; it didn't do well.

It was buggy and would constantly get people caught in a endless cycle of being stuck in prone or not being able to prone at all and also constant client-side issues. People found ways to abuse this addon where they'd crouch and be able to sprint. It had so many issues addon wise that I didn't even get to the rule side yet.

 

Rule side; we made rules and they didn't work. Think about back then when we had an immense source of administrators who would go around enforcing rules and even they werent enough to prevent glitching, rule breaking, etc. what makes everyone think we can enforce those rules now?

 

Absolutely not; this suggestion was accepted before and we regretted it.

-1

[Hanz]

+1 IF it can be done without bugs

[Piff]

1 hour ago, Taz said:

+1

 

inb4 bvb dropshotting oh no no no no

Also
@Piff missed opportunity to add this for the Lore section

die

[KillJoy]

+1 who needs Jedi anyway. Legit a joke don't kill me. 

 

[Rezz]

+1 

[Guac]

-1 after hearing Bbstines statement

[Piff]

5 hours ago, Bbstine said:

Just repeating the past at this point.

We added proning as sort of a stress test and how it'd perform on the server; it didn't do well.

It was buggy and would constantly get people caught in a endless cycle of being stuck in prone or not being able to prone at all and also constant client-side issues. People found ways to abuse this addon where they'd crouch and be able to sprint. It had so many issues addon wise that I didn't even get to the rule side yet.

 

Rule side; we made rules and they didn't work. Think about back then when we had an immense source of administrators who would go around enforcing rules and even they werent enough to prevent glitching, rule breaking, etc. what makes everyone think we can enforce those rules now?

 

Absolutely not; this suggestion was accepted before and we regretted it.

-1

Thats why i said once again like with all addons that i find that are buggy, i would also pay for something new since i know the current ones are shit and buggy

[Misfit]

+1 the directors have learned from the past and if accepted they will FULLY test it (i hope) and make sure there are no problems. Yes someone most definitely will find a way to glitch it (we've been arresting CTs for years and they still find a way to glitch out of the cells on every map) but we can just treat them the same as said CTs or arrest them for map glitching (rules might have to be added/changed for that one)

 

Plus what taz said just made me want it even more

[Willyworm1]

Honestly, I agree that this would be awesome, but I will give you an important scenario: Someone with a Jetpack and a sniper.

It could and probably would end in chaos because of the chances to find a perfect peaking edge where no one can shoot back without a jetpack. With that being said, it all depends on how it it implemented and regulated.

For now this is a +1 but heed the warning

[traditional]

A cool addon, however unoptimized and buggy, no thanks -1

[Piff]

3 minutes ago, traditional said:

A cool addon, however unoptimized and buggy, no thanks -1

thats why im saying custom would work better

[Wheezy]

+1 custom proning sure let’s get er done

[Dr_Zynth]

+1 this is pretty cool 

[Scarecrow]

-1 I remember when we had it before it caused some really bad performance issues.

But I am also thinking about the practicality of this feature and when actually using it would be useful and I can not think of to many situations outside of a sniper using it and hiding.

Whenever I have used prone systems in Gmod it is usually bound with the same key as crouch and unless you play toggle crouch it can really be irritating where it doesn't consistently work by when trying to crouch it prones or trying to stand and those commands and imputs get muddled. My other worry  is all the clipping and traversal issues that can be caused because Gmod isn't really built to naturally prone and a lot of maps havent been built with that feature in mind. 

[Stroodle]

+1 I know it may never work but god dammit I want it to

[Wren]

On 1/6/2021 at 8:51 AM, Shockpoint said:

and Im sure 41st and the like would love to have it.

Yes, yes we would !!!


+1

[Robb]

-1 Proning is really buggy and unoptimized. It takes a while to get into and out of prone mode, on top of that it is just un-necessary and I am personally not a fan of the prone mod.

[Gears]

Pending

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[Forseen]

Accepted

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