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No agreement was reached with SOBDE. We felt that in the current state of the server, and the struggles we have faced filling our own positions, this would hurt us and the server tremendously. It can take us weeks to fill just one position, let alone fill up an entire squad due to the length and difficulty of our tryouts. We spoke on this and I just cant trust that the standards of one battalion be upheld in another. Despite us speaking on this and disagreeing, this was still made and made to seem like you had our support. You did not. These members who are on board do not speak for us, let alone have the authority to leak our tryouts to help create tryouts for Foxtrot. If they did help and leak our tryouts, they would be blacklisted and removed. As BCMD I have to think about what is best for my battalion, but when making my decision I had the well being of the whole server in mind. a 3 sub unit battalion would cause tons of problems for the server. A new server member would look at all the other battalions before making their decision, and of course would choose the biggest battalion and the one with the most opportunities within it. This would severely damage the recruitment of other battalions no doubt. Let me be clear, this was made without SOBDE support. -1

Uhh from what I heard the support and stepping up of SOBDE was NEVER talked about, I have talked to Rizzo about this and have been told that he did not agree with you on this, volunteering SOBDE, WITHOUT THE AGREEMENT OF SOBDE is an insane move. I was talking to you about this, and considering you did not even get the backing of RC which Foxtrot is a part of, is very stupid. I would also like to bring up their would 4 technical sub units in 212th now, (mine as well remove all the other batts) the 4 (technical) sub units I am talking about is Parjai, 2ndAC, Ghost Company, and then Foxtrot. SOBDE already has problems filling ourselves as it is, we don't need more people taking away from us. -1

-1 I don't think it would be a good idea. It would be taking members from SOBDE. And everyone would be going to 212th.

this post is very funny to watch and I genuinely don't know which side has more people chiming in when their opinion doesn't matter ig -1 I really don't think 212th having more stuff matters in the long run but I just like seeing Finn get mad

So you got an NCOs opinion on something this big?

+1 This suggestion is huge, not just for 212th but the server. Firstly, this has the dual effect of focusing GC into a more lore accurate and specialized subunit instead of "the main battalion but with cooler armor" AND increasing cooperation and interaction between SOBDE and the rest of the server. By making this a joint venture, and holding all applicants to RC standards, this is a fantastic way for SOBDE to rub their roleplay prowess and professionalism on the rest of the server. If Foxtrot gets added it will be held to an incredibly high standard in behavior, roleplay, and general professionalism. This being the case, it will have a trickle down effect of promoting better roleplay and behavior in all of 212th. This in of itself has the potential to really positively impact the server. Secondly, if this suggestion passes I believe it will have a huge positive influence on server moral. For a long time there has been an attitude of "i cant suggest anything i want for my battalion because it wont pass anyways". This suggestion was a long time in the making and is the result of close cooperation between 212th HC and several other battalions. If it passes, it will both prove that 1. If your suggestion is well thought out and you approach the community instead of just springing a suggestion on us it has a real chance of passing. 2. That synergy is capable of growing out of the "-1 i dont want you to have cool thing because i dont like that you want cool thing". I really believe this will both inspire battalions to come up with their own cool suggestions to help improve player experience within their battalions and cooperate with the rest of the server while doing so. It would be really cool to see us come together as a community to show our support for cool new stuff for every battalion/the server as a whole instead of that gremlin mindset of "if my battalion doesnt get a cool thing yours cant have one either".

Just saw the second part. I did NOT do this, and did NOT tell the person who isn't even in 212th to do that either. While we appreciate the support, it's not something any of us requested in any regard. I do appreciate your feedback and would love to open up discussion about why a third subunit didn't succeed before.

- 🤖 That's literally one of the concerns that people have and you just contradicted yourself about it. So much for keeping it to SOBDE standards like the suggestion says it would. Anyways, seeing the disconnect here between SOBDE and 212th members makes me highly doubt the implementation of this would go well at all. During these first few tryouts that SOBDE members are invited to go to, if they say the tryout is too easy, are you guys actually going to listen to them? The only way that SOBDE RC and 212th RC can be guaranteed to stay in any way comparable (given they have the same kit and have the same name, they should be) would be if you guys actually had assurances that SOBDE will retain control over selections, and that you guys actually care about the input of their leadership. Neither of which seems to be the case here. It's also interesting seeing a failure of anybody to mention who the mystery SOBDE supporters of this are, probably because they are not anybody remotely in a position of power in the battalion.

When this suggestion is denied for being the most idiotic thing I've ever seen, I have an idea for a suggestion for you to make. Or maybe don't put people into a position if they don't want to play the job for it... Idk. -1 Bro really said lets add RC into 212th without having the agreement of the person in charge of RC. Having seen how poorly 212th's subunits can be managed in the past, there's no way Foxtrot wouldn't just be rejects who can't pass an actual SOBDE tryout after the initial bump of old people coming back for it dies out.

Who. Cause everyone in SOBDE has made it explicitly clear that THEY DO NOT WANT THIS.

Gonna start this off first -1 my reasons 1. 212th as of now through non and real subunits there's GC, 2ndAC, Parjai, Red squad and now foxtrot so you all have EVERYTHING thus making it so no one would ever need to leave for a battalion for a minor reason o. 2. Foxtrot Group will never return. It isn't coming back to SOBDE. It isn't going to 212th. It's never coming back. Give up on your dreams. This is true very true 3. RC are in SOBDE for the purpose of standardization having foxtrot in a different section could cause problems with standardizations through easier tryouts or different standards among squads 4. Job: Foxtrot RC MED and Job: Foxtrot RC ARF. If your trying to make this an RC squad and follow what it was then these should respecivly be RC MDMK and Tech so already going against standardization. 5. From what I have heard members of SOBDE that have a say in this disagreed with this and thus a BIG problem if your overstepping people you need to talk to about whether or not this is good 6. SOBDE already has problems filling up squad members with our current standards and thus I believe that juggling that along side having 212th do their own things will cause a lower standard for the squad

-1 shoulda named the post the death of SOBDE

-1 for multiple reasons first off you talk to the BCMD of a battalion that this would most directly effect wither you wanted to or not it will, and he disagrees and says he does not want this but you go behind his back and post it anyways. Which one is highly disrespectful and rude but also points out where your priority lies despite you saying that it would not take away from SOBDE at all you in fact would be taking away from SOBDE in a indirect way even if you don't realize it, because in that same quote you point it out that if someone wants to join the largest battalion that they would join 212th,rancor,ect. and that is true, but if they also realize later on that they want to join SOBDE and just so happen to be 212th already what's the point of trying out for a new battalion? What's the point in going to a tryout for a completely different battalion when there consist a whole squad that already has everything that the other battalion has? There really isn't any they would most likely stay in their position in 212th until a spot would open or the finally pass the tryout. and with this, since you wont give the names of the SOBDE supporters which is fair, and i wont go to far into that in this, The overwhelming majority of SOBDE did not either talk to you or support this. And while you say a lot of the server support this, which there may be a fair bit that do, a large majority of this is also 212th members which might i point out would of course +1 something that would bring more to the battalion, while that's nice and all like you said, 212th is one of the largest battalions so of course the voice that they have is going to be loud and noticeable compared to others who would not agree with it.

The fact that only one member of sobde is in support says numbers on why i am -1 Only person that is in support has just rejoined sobde recently not an officer not even a squad lead Not a single officer is in support of this sobde has a set of standards that I do not believe 212th could uphold

Like I said before, those members do not speak for us and would not be allowed to help. It would no matter what leak the very nature of our tryouts. They would be removed/blacklisted for helping. This will take almost all attention away from SOBDE and would damage recruitment for everyone else on the entire server, and people would see no reason to join us or any other batt if they can just be in 212th and wait for an RC spot to open there. Not to mention how much inflation 212th will see in numbers just because people will join to wait for an RC spot. This inflation would negatively impact the rest of the server immensely.

+1 My tired ass brain reading all of these replies is getting tired. 1. Foxtrot was an amazing group to have which created RP for the battalion and server as a whole. This would be a great step to creating more RP related situations and having people have more fun in general. 2. I could understand that some would think this would hurt some battalions with 212th might have 3 subunits in total. But to add Foxtrot we are also removing job's in place of them. 3. SOBDE are effectively not using Foxtrot when they are such a good way to create RP, they were disregarded like wasteless trash among the unnamed RC's. Gregor also got removed from being a BCMD (Being free choice to use any Squad Lead as the BCMD, i think?). 4. If SOBDE think this will hurt them and have people join 212th Foxtrot instead, fucking use them in SOBDE then like what? This confused me the most, people being salty that 212th will have the chance to get a amazing squad get back added to the server and them not being in SOBDE. 5. The overall success and numbers that 212th has had warrants this suggestion for Foxtrot aswell, this would increase competitiveness for the limited slots of Foxtrot Squad within 212th and be able to add more RP within them. 6. It may be true that SOBDE HQ were not on board with this. If SOBDE would not be open to help with setting up Foxtrot, with tryouts, information and overall to uphold the quality of a Republic Commando. This would happen with or without them with how they have reacted to the post I feel like. If SOBDE would not choose to assist if this suggestion passes, 212th would do their best to uphold a great RP quality with Foxtrot. 7. I'm sorry but the talk with the sub units talk, we do not have fucking 5. Subunit list currently is 2ndAC and Ghost Company. Red Squad only has lore names for pilots and we do not police them. They are not an actual sub unit but are allowed to use the lore names. Parjai is a elite squad of 2ndAC Troopers within 2ndAC, on the same jobs, same subunit. Ghost Company have seperate jobs but with a Re-skin battalion model, with this Suggestion going up the GC MED suggestion was voided to add Foxtrot. It is 5am, I apologise if I might have offended anyone, but I will be blunt and honest.

Wassup my guy. Wanted to critique a few things you've said here. 1. Red Squad isn't a thing anymore, and hasn't been for some time. People still use the RS lore names, but that's not a battalion sanctioned system, and we don't police the names our members want to use. Parjai is also not a subunit, it's what we call 2ndAC Officers. 2. I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but it seems like some sort of inside joke of SOBDE. If it is, then it's very telling about your thoughts on Foxtrot in general. 3. While the original intention may have been standardization, the original intention was also to have Grey RC, which you clearly don't have. The battalion and server have changed, and there's no legitimate reason for SOBDE to hoard subunit that you guys have admitted publicly and privately you have no intention of using. 4. The naming convention was supposed to keep in line with the regiments, which is admittedly confusing. the ARF job is intended to fill the marksman role, and we're ok to keep the marksmen name if need be. 5. So, to set the record straight, we approached Rizzo well before we even talked to our own officers. We wanted him, and SOBDE as a whole, to work with us to make sure the subunit was the same quality as SOBDE. His response was to say that the only way to make this suggestion work would be to have SOBDE have full control over the subunit, and essentially be a squad that just is outreached to 212th. He wouldn't entertain any other offer. This suggestion isn't overstepping, considering high staff gave us the go ahead to make this suggestion. 6. SOBDE has never had a hard time filling squads when they advertise and are active. Having been your Regimental previously, I have firsthand knowledge on how you guys operate, both successfully and not so successfully, so I can say this some some confidence that having Foxtrot in 212th will not hinder you in any way. I can also say this considering we already had Foxtrot for over a year and a half and SOBDE didn't have issues recruiting. Kaiser and I are more than willing to discuss this with you guys if you want more clarification about the suggestion, and if this does pass, we hope you'll want to be involved in helping the subunit find success.

Changing my mind. -1. bad idea having 3 sub units. even if youre built different. i dont want 212th RP

I did this on my own as this is something that has been in the works for a while in terms of suggesting it. I did this on my own, just wanna make clear that no 212th have asked me to do this. As for not being allowed, this has been done multiple times, even to the point with an @ everyone multiple times from myself and nothing has been mentioned regarding that, nor is it in the suggestion guidelines/rules.

+1 Not only do I think it would be cool to see a consistent battalion rewarded but also it has been a long while since foxtrot was removed in the first place due to inactivity. 212th in my opinion is more then capable of having this third sub unit and still upholding the commando standards. If it would please rizzo he or other officers of SOBDE could sit in on the tryouts to ensure this. Not saying this for Kaiser or others that had something to do with the suggestion but just spitballing ideas. This is my unscewed opinion as well. Has nothing to do with me being 212th. As a previous Oddball I would much rather have red squadron back other then just the lore names but that won't happen.

Now this guy studies economics! FJB and the federal reserve printing more money! I also see people saying high staff approved this post, this doesn't mean high staff think it's a good idea at all. They just think it could do with community feedback and might have been intending to deny it unless it is resoundingly +1ed. Given how it currently is anything but that, the acceptance of this would only piss SOBDE off and make them feel their opinions don't matter at all. You say you didn't circumvent SOBDE, but you did when you went to high staff to get their approval instead. Good luck getting them to want to work with you guys at all. Why? SOBDE Command obviously cannot take any action against them, or they would be reported and removed so quickly that their shoes wouldn't be on yet before they're out the door. Failing to actually name anyone makes me think Super's right and this is actually just one person. If you don't think they're just going to base the tryout off information and dupes that SOBDE has used in the past (or even their current ones), and stuff they likely have built their current tryouts off of with adaptations, then you are an idiot. There's 100% going to be sections of the tryout that are the same. If SOBDE will have influence over the tryout, why not just give them actual control over it like they asked for? Otherwise these assurances are worth nothing to me. Because that's how it went last time. A similar thing was done where SOBDE came in, helped make the tryouts, helped host, got things to be the same standards, and then after that it fell apart in a few short weeks to meet the rock bottom standards that some expect to see here.

Hey everyone its the best GC Arc Crys here, I give it a +1 not because I am in 212th but here are our reasons. I been reading a lot of the responses already and also been lookin at the -1s, Foxtrot would be a official sub unit with 212th, yes we have 2nd AC and GC and I see people mention red squadron, its not a thing anymore its dead, Adding foxtrot will fill in that void and give 212th a boost of activity having people go for foxtrot company. It'll boost not just 212th but the server in general and come on WHO doesn't want to see gregor and his unit run around its about time we bring him back. I get the frustration of foxtrot being a RC unit and not in SOBDE but keep in mind that is what keeps it unique, a RC unit only tailored for 212th for lore reasons and not a direct control of SOBDE and its a double edged sword as well, they do not have any control of SOBDE as well. Its a reason why they are going to be our Special forces unit. The Only thing 212th got to them that makes them poplar is 2ndAC and still that gets outclassed by other whitelists within the server and the only thing going for us is our specialization in boarding and we don't even get priority over it since everyone does it before we can even do anything. Foxtrot will fill that void in and give 212th another specialty. As a member of GC we are all on board of this change that would happen if this pulls through, Making GC what it was meant to be and Foxtrot filling in as the specialized operation unit within 212th, In my opinion SOBDE doesn't have a issue filling in spots for their own units since I always see people going for them constantly, seeing 20 something odd rounds for one character yeah there is dedication there. From many of the -1s I see people say its stupid and not well thought of, the mere fact that yall are hearing that 212th might get a RC unit tailored to them is automatically stupid and saying that 212th sub units are poorly managed, recently 212th has been doing great and for sub units we have been killing it helping out where is needed and how they are managed. Assuming foxtrot would be a bunch a rejects is insane and assuming that the tryout won't be hard is absolutely insane there's a focus on ensuring that the addition of foxtrot doesn't dilute the quality or standards within the 212th. Thats why Cody is trying to gain the support of SOBDE to help guide this in the right direction. This was discussed to many higher ups before even being brought to the 212th officer core, Cody wants to make sure this runs smoothly and is not just some easy to get RC unit within 212th.

-1 Foxtrot is Inactive

Since when what?! I thought if you advertised your suggestion got instadenied?! SODBE is almost always missing at least one of their full squads, I can likely count the amount of times SOBDE has been full on hands. Battalion commandos did used to be a thing (idr if that was on here or icefuse) but were phased out/not brought over because it made SOBDE redundant as rather than joining a new battalion you could just stay in your old one but get all the perks commandos got. This isnt a case of "oh battalion is getting cool thing and I don't want them to have that" this is a case of "oh this battlion is getting something that has potential to kill another battalion". Also one battalion doesnt need 3 sub units, we don't need a jack of all trades battalion that can do everything

-1, 212th doesn't need another unit, especially Foxtrot lmfao oh also

You and I did not reach an agreement, and I never included that in the suggestion nor did I want to imply that we did. If that came across as what happened, then I apologize but I never said that we as groups had come to an agreement. The standards was one of the things we did talk about, and that was a big problem for myself going forward with this. After speaking to individuals in SOBDE, they offered to help build new dupes and a tryout process and did not offer ANYTHING that is currently used for SOBDE. Those people did not offer to leak anything and would never work against you or your battalion. I can respect your efforts and your desire to protect your battalion. We do not want to take away from you at all, and from a different point of view, extra RC squads on the server would only attract more attention to SOBDE. If a new player looks to join the biggest battalion, then 212th, Rancor, and 2 months ago 501st would have had everyone in them. Let me be clear that this was made with some SOBDE support, and A LOT of the current server's support.

+1 I just hope that the dev team is ready for every battalion on the server to put up a suggestion for a 3rd sub unit; because if 1 battalion gets a 3rd, everyone is going to want a 3rd.

I was poor man's Foxtrot once +1 Also @CcmontyMarvel has stated plenty of times its not against the server rules to ping for a suggestion

ima keep it a stack, that shit can cause so much lags, it's not worth

RP Name: 501st ARFT SFC PLTO B2 Axe Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:146899122 Staff member you are reporting: Dennis Staff Members Steam ID (If applicable): STEAM_0:0:86273369 Staff Members Wrong-Doing: Unprofessional and childish name calling Calling a player a retard during an event. Explain the situation: Dennis the HA of clone wars was doing an event and i was in a v-19 fighter fighting him he was in a vulture fighter which he was spawning almost in plain sight next to the lake. I was doing the RP and looking for any ships to shoot down and i saw one and i shot at it i got close and we both blew up then Dennis yelled at me in RP calling me a retard. This situation could have been avoided if the GM just spawned the ships away from where the even was happening AKA out of sight of players. It was extremely unprofessional to call someone a name like that to people who might actually have that disability and i think everyone can agree to expect something more from an HA. Evidence (If applicable): I saw hunter was there so he might have heard everything

The models are already made, and unused, so why not use them +1

Our intentions are not to take people from SOBDE as Foxtrot has not been utilized in SOBDE for a long time. We would be creating opportunities in 212th, not taking them away from anyone.

+1: It'd make it easier to catch people that try to run away and avoid arrest and remove people from certain situations.

Foxtrot Group will never return. It isn't coming back to SOBDE. It isn't going to 212th. It's never coming back. Give up on your dreams. -1 Actually though I don't understand the need for a third sub unit in your battalion, you already got two -1 Edit: With extra info it would be 4? no no no -1

You are correct, Rizzo and I are not on the same page about this. However I HAVE spoken to SOBDE members that ARE on board with Foxtrot returning, and have offered help in creating dupes and helping with tryouts to ensure that the standards for an RC unit are met.

As the current... -1

Um sir, you are currently not caring for anybody in SOBDE that are not in position of power making them feel that their opinions don’t matter at all. Foxtrot was here back then and it didn’t hinder SOBDE chances to recruit people. A lot of people are currently saying they’ll just join 212th until a Foxtrot spot is open…. but isn’t it the same right now for SOBDE when they are full? Join another battalion until a spot is open? If people right now are interested in SOBDE and can’t get in within 20 rounds of tryouts then it might not be a server issue and it’s more like tryouts being too difficult for a Star Wars rp server. Even as before when they were attached to 212th it was working, as soon it switched to SOBDE that’s where foxtrot died.

Name: Kaiser RP Rank: 212th BCMD Suggestion: Bring back Foxtrot to 212th Attack Battalion as a 3rd subunit Implementation: For those of you looking to instantly -1 this suggestion based on negative experiences, I implore you to read the entire thing. After talks with High Staff/Development, the return of this squad is very possible if done correctly. There is no official rule preventing the addition of a 3rd subunit, and no rule on removing the whitelists suggested. This will be a major shift for the 212th as a whole, and as a battalion that has had the honor of success in the past year, I believe we’re the perfect candidates to test run an additional group. We would be removing 4 whitelists to make room for Gregor and the 3 additional Foxtrot members. In practical terms, we would work with former Foxtrot members and current SOBDE members that have already stepped forward to offer assistance with dupes and tryouts. With myself overseeing the first runs, we would invite SOBDE members to watch how we do tryouts which would affirm that RC standards would be met. Additionally, when 212th previously had Foxtrot, we held a very high standard of RP and have every intention to bring it back. SOBDE has a very high standard of RP as well, which gives us a great example to learn from. In turn, with one of our subunits acting more seriously, this will 100% rub off on our other subunits, in turn rubbing off on the battalion, in turn rubbing off on the server. Lore: Foxtrot Group was a commando squad led by CC-5576-39 Captain Gregor serving under Marshal Commander Cody and General Obi-Wan Kenobi. While it operated under the Special Operations Brigade, it was attached to the 212th Attack Battalion. Captain Gregor has been depicted multiple times in Star Wars media, giving merit to Foxtrot having the ability to build lore on Synergy. Workshop Content if applicable: Needs development If you are asking to add or change a job, fill out the following if not, leave it out. Add or Change: Remove (Any job modification requires all this information) Job: 2ndAC Commander Barlex, 212th Officer, Ghost Company Heavy Trooper, Ghost Company Support Trooper Slots: N/A Description: N/A Model: N/A Weapons: N/A _______________________________________________________________ Add or Change: Add Job: Foxtrot Lead Gregor Slots: 1 Description: Foxtrot Group Lead Model: models/jayarr/commando/foxtrot/gregor.mdl Weapons: cc2018_dc15p, rw_sw_dc17m, rw_sw_dc17m_launcher, rw_sw_dc17m_shotgun, rw_sw_dc17m_sniper ___________________________________________________________________ Add or Change: Add Job: Foxtrot RC EOD Slots: 1 Description: Foxtrot Group EOD Model:models/jayarr/commando/foxtrot/eod.mdl Weapons: cc2018_dc15p, rw_sw_dc17m, rw_sw_dc17m_launcher (ability to drop armor) ___________________________________________________________________ Add or Change: Add Job: Foxtrot RC MED Slots: 1 Description: Foxtrot Group Medic Model: models/jayarr/commando/foxtrot/tech.mdl Weapons: cc2018_dc15p, rw_sw_dc17m, rw_sw_dc17m_shotgun, weapon_bactakit, rw_sw_nade_bacta (3), darky_syringe (3) ____________________________________________________________________ Add or Change: Add Job: Foxtrot RC ARF Slots: 1 Description: Foxtrot Group Sniper Model: models/jayarr/commando/foxtrot/mark.mdl Weapons: cc2018_dc15p, rw_sw_dc17m, rw_sw_dc17m_sniper _____________________________________________________________________ Other: This is the meat and potatoes of this suggestion. After talks from High Staff/developers, members of current SOBDE, and former Foxtrot members, I am 100% confident 212th can bring back this unit and support it in the right way. To start with the unit, we would like to include SOBDE in the initial process in setting up the tryouts. We want to make sure that the standard for RC squads is being held up overall and our Foxtrot members are of a higher caliber than any other trooper in 212th. The past 3 Barlex’s did NOT like being on the actual job, and would often prefer to sit on 2ndAC SUP if they have their training due to the low benefits of the Barlex whitelist. The 212th Officer whitelist isn’t used at all. The GC whitelists we would remove would change GC to a strictly stealth recon unit rather than Spec Ops. We would open up more 212th GC ARF spots to compensate along with 1 GC ARC slot. I look forward to answering any questions people have in the comments, and reassuring anyone with doubts that we can handle this. Even with myself only being on the server for a year, I know the server has changed significantly. Now is the time to bring back this once successful unit to the former glory of Foxtrot.

-1 No need for 212th to have like 5 different units. As the person who was Gregor when it was removed, it was removed for a reason. Keep it removed.

-1 You guys don't need a 3rd sub unit. GM didn't get to keep Devil Dogs when SO was added back. Also plugging a server suggestion in TS is cringe and I also don't think its allowed