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no problemo

I actually think the DP23 is an amazing weapon you can get on the base kit! Here is an example of what it can do. The first screenshot will be from close range. Think about 5 meters. The second one is the distance of the gap between medbay and the first set of boxes on the sim room side If you wanna test it you can always ask an admin in game for it and see how it feels, or personally, I can set you up with some encounter like sim and you can run in that with it to test it's use case in an actual scenario you may encounter :)

Bug Type (Server:): Citizen Whitelist Spawn Severity level (Low - Medium - High): Low to Medium Evidence (if you can): Description of the bug: Citizen whitelist spawns in the Clone Recruit room. How can we recreate it: Whitelist yourself to Citizen and make sure a Tac-Insert isn't placed. You'll spawn in CR room automatically.

-1 jus get better at pvp 🤦‍♂️

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Hm, I do think that some good points are made here from all sides. I would think that a better thing would be to utilize your shields more often. Also, the DP24 is not going to do much against the shotgun or some of the other weaponry available to people willing to fork out the money for it. As someone primarily guarded by SG and DS, I do think some improvement could be made, however most of the time I see attacks from Separatists / NPCs affecting us rather than by BHs. I've heard and seen that the hitbox on your shield is very bad when it is being held by DS until it is placed. Perhaps a better avenue would be to improve the protection offered by the shield when it is being held or when people are moving around with it, which would make the shield something used much more often and taken advantage of both for you guys and if/when DU comes back (until that time, the shield is something totally unique to DS and is a cool draw that I feel is underused). It's shown in the clone wars to be extremely good when being held and offering near total protection to those using it, and I see it being used well during trainings, but I very rarely see it used in events or during normal times due to these lackings. Not going to vote as either way would be a benefit to some extent for you guys, but that is my take on the matter: Rather than add this weapon (which is by most accounts, mine included, a downgrade to the DC15A/S) improve the shield's hitbox and protection which would enable much more RP and tactical combat!

Me telling this to the president's secret service "no the guns don't work they're for RP purposes" -1, a worse gun won't improve the server or personal issues DS has

Not a bug. The C - Menu display shows the true damage of weapons before Damage Resistance of models and various Garry's Mod calculations come into play. All weapons have been scaled on a DPS chart. Tier 1 is 5% stronger than the base DC-15A. Tier 2 is 10% stronger, etc. If we were to increase damage for certain permanent weapons, we'd have to adjust it on all weapons because of our scaling to ensure balancing. Side note: There are certain models with combine hit boxes (They take 25-50% less damage to certain parts but 200% extra damage to their heads). We are aware of this and plan to adjust them as time goes on.

this is a bug report, yall don't need to +1 it

I'm def not opposed to Force cloak being added instead as a possible compromise if the Cloaking Device is not possible. Fair enough, I was going back and forth between either Force cloak or a cloaking device but decided on the latter due not having a timer on the cloak. I can see your side of things with the RP making things interesting and such I mostly went through with this to try and make it easier for Etain to work with Omega during covert ops. Appericate the feedback. I was always told you had to be a Shadow to go down the Shadow skill tree and since I'm Guardian Manager it's not the most clear option for me.

You're also missing the fact there is an inherent damage reduction on everything on the server. So the DP24 doesn't do 23 damage., and the DC15A doesn't do 49 damage. So you're missing alot more damage on those blank shots than you can count. Either way it goes you can't accurately test any weapon on Garry's Mod. So the stats were throwing around probably aren't even accurate. Unfortunately my opinion doesn't change. I think DS may need buffed, but this gun isn't the buff you're looking for. It also lacks range which is something the DC pair has on the DP24

The DP24 won't fix this issue. You would need a bigger punch trust me. The DC-15A does 49 damage a shot with an RPM of 250. The DP-24 does 23 damage with an RPM of 668. It takes two shots for the DP-24 to do (close) to the same damage as the DC-15A. Which effectively means 1 bullet of the DC15A is 2 bullets of the DP-24. With that being said, the DP24 has bad bloom and poor hit registration on Gmod. The DC15A would be a general better use weapon than the DP24. Everyone deals with the same weapon issues as you. Also, Don't your lore characters get seperate loadouts? Why give them the DP24 if they already have a kit? +1 for unique sub-unit weapons, but not this, it won't fix your issue. -1

-1 Marvel and Cubby's reasonings convinced me

Jett blew his Backout

This has been marked as acknowledged and marked as a bug that is being looked into. This will remain unlocked in the case that more information becomes present. // MOVING TO ACKNOWLEDGED REPORTS @Xaze@Marvel

I do not believe that utility items such as this should be made a permanent weapon, let alone for that much. That would just take something that’s meant to add RP for a battalion, subunit, or specialization that any newer player could acquire and have fun with and lock it behind a paywall that most people would never get close to reaching. There’s already enough on the server for 99% of the “whales” to purchase.

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-1 DS is just for RP not combat