Rules/Punishments regarding IP jokes

[A-a-ron]

Name: Aaron

RP Rank: SGT

Suggestion: Change the rules regarding IP jokes, I’m not even 100% sure how the IP jokes even started but all I know is they became way more popular after the ban on them (Streisand effect). Yes posting IP grabbers and even ones that don’t link to the actual IP grabber site but look like it should be against the rules.

But the problem with these strict rules happen when someone makes a joke using the server IP and get a warning or a ban for using a harmless IP which just connects to the main or event server. Yes I know these jokes are cringe but they shouldn’t ever be permanent ban or even ban worthy as long as it’s a joke and no one reports it and has an actual reason to feel threatened.

Getting banned or warned for saying “great argument but (3 random numbers)” is just ridiculous. Posting a gif that says “I have your IP” then some random shit dancing and getting punished for it makes no sense. 

The only way u should be able to get banned for anything IP related is posting a real IP grabber, warning for a fake one (If continued afterwards a ban, length depending on the context), making an actual threat with a fake IP, or the obvious one, getting someone’s real IP and using it in anyway.

I feel every report should be handled on a case by case basis, there should be no set in stone ban for saying wacky numbers

Implementation: Change server rules

Other: I’m aware you could just not make the joke, but it shouldn’t be ban worthy if it’s harmless. Being strict on this one exact kind of joke is just overkill.

Edited March 23, 2022 by A-a-ron
Grammar/Clarification

[Misfit]

5 minutes ago, Guac said:

-1, we’ve already been told it would be handled on a case by case basis. Any threat against another player, joke or not, is taken seriously. This isn’t somehow a new thing, people have been banned for saying they would dox someone, or even making a joking DDOS threat. It is legitimately such an easy rule to follow I don’t understand why you don’t. 

+1 i dont think i should get in any kind of trouble for joking with my battalion in discord and i send a picture of an IP joke. "good one, heres ur IP bozo" and now im banned from the server until god knows when. We understand the rule itself but the punishments dont match the crime.

Edited March 23, 2022 by Misfit

[Hanz]

Obviously harmless ones should not be punished at all, especially the discord gifs. I think if someone really feels threatened it should be taken seriously but people are getting banned for some of the dumbest things I have ever seen because of this 0 tolerance rule.

+1

Edited March 23, 2022 by Hanz

[Pythin]

Why do you need to make an IP joke tho? 

[A-a-ron]

Just now, Pythin said:

Why do you need to make an IP joke tho? 

It’s not that I or other people need to, a ban for posting a gif that is clearly a joke or saying “good argument but (3 numbers)” shouldn’t warrant a ban if someone decides to make on of those jokes, yes there should be a limit to how far u can go as I put in the suggestion but the current 0 tolerance is unneeded and leads to weird bans that don’t make sense. Hope this clears it up.

[Pythin]

1 minute ago, A-a-ron said:

It’s not that I or other people need to, a ban for posting a gif that is clearly a joke or saying “good argument but (3 numbers)” shouldn’t warrant a ban if someone decides to make on of those jokes, yes there should be a limit to how far u can go as I put in the suggestion but the current 0 tolerance is unneeded and leads to weird bans that don’t make sense. Hope this clears it up.

You get a warning, and they said they handle case by case. You say you should be banned for posting an IP grabber, but what if someone post an actually IP? Some may not care if you know where they live,  but most do. 
 

also the joke is Not funny anymore 

everytime I see one I just go 💀

[Pythin]

-1 I think the way they have handled them so far are fair. If you wanna make the joke do it in a dm with your buddy or something like that. It’s not like it’s hurting anyone for being a rule in place. “OMg I cAnT poSt tHis Ip to make FuNny JokE”.  Just get better content to choose from when making jokes 

[Bacta]

I still stand by statement before it should only be punished if its malicious, if im joking with my friends in TeamSpeak and there fine with it, it should be fine, every friendship on synergy is different with what you can get away with, but harmless fun on a popular internet joke going around should be fine.

+1

[Bleach]

I feel like people should be able to tell the difference from people telling a joke about someone's IP and an actual threat about someone's ACTUAL IRL IP.

+1

[Comics]

35 minutes ago, Pythin said:

-1 I think the way they have handled them so far are fair. If you wanna make the joke do it in a dm with your buddy or something like that. It’s not like it’s hurting anyone for being a rule in place. “OMg I cAnT poSt tHis Ip to make FuNny JokE”.  Just get better content to choose from when making jokes 

This is such a sad attitude, like I personally don't want the founders telling players what they can and cannot say outside of genuinely malicious acts. Stuff like racism, homophobia and other bigoted seem to have attracted little attention or repercussions garnering the regular punishments for most other rule breaks. IP jokes seem to have taken a life of their own as if they're some huge issue which pretty obviously it is not, if a fake IP or even mention of IPs really upsets you this much maybe you just shouldn't be on the internet. We don't like redundant restrictions because they ruin fun on the server and achieve nothing so why have them enforced at all. Pointless restrictions aren't fun and the community isn't very happy to hand over the power to ban whatever jokes the founders want if they deem it "scary" enough.

This isn't like harassment it's just stupid jokes I don't see why we should just be okay with people telling us what we can do when it's not harming anyone else. But you seem to have a desire to lick this boot and die on the hill that banning jokes is epic sauce because I don't find it funny. It's weird to have this harsh a punishments for even mentioning IPs in a joke, clearly the community doesn't agree. You can tell by the fact IP jokes have skyrocketed in private since the introduction of this ban, it was almost never brought up but now it's happening again and again every day. People are always joking about "funny numbers" and how they're "scared". it's just so silly, why care this much about harmless jokes.

If there is genuine threat behind the post and someone is doxxing people yeah go ahead but I think most of us are yet to see that. 

+1, I think it's funny and banning it has only made it funnier just making it a much bigger issue when it never was one

[Daytona211]

I would +1 this as it's a rule that on the surface is meant to make the less tech literate feel safe. 

But the other side of the coin if some unfunny member of our community goes to a complainer and makes a joke like this and they take it seriously then they could end up wasting liaisons, staff, and in some cases founders time by having to handle the situation because someone said "I have your IP" which to some uninformed members can be equated to certain illegal things

 

If anything it should really just be a ban on personal doxing / Private identifiable information / Harassment, but sadly that doesn't cut it for some people. I don't really care enough to + / - 1

but I think it's pretty clear to say that this whole situation blew up more than it needed to because of unfunny jokes and sensitivity to those jokes so much so that it warranted a community wide ban...

 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Daytona211

[Heart]

is this the new order 66?

Kinda iffy because perception is reality, maybe its fine in discords but not in game/teamspeaks?

[Marvel]

3 hours ago, Pythin said:

Just get better content to choose from when making jokes 

If making bad jokes was a bannable offense you'd be the first to go - Comics

+1 ig

[Guac]

I really don't think that someone saying "These numbers look familiar? 123?!" or stupid shit like that should be ban-able, nor do I think that is the intention of any member of leadership.

The only instance of which I have seen this punished to a larger extent was when an individual reached out to a member of the community he had not known well at all to make such a joke.

No one person is scouring every facet of this community to find people who make jokes about knowing someone's IP. With that being said, I do disagree with the current ruling. I'd much rather these instances be reported on a case-by-case basis, and then punishment be taken if need be. Even if it is a joke, have that discretion of punishment be up to the staff members involved.

+1 if being done instead case by case.

[Seabass]

+1 no one deserves to be banned unless there is actual threats being made

[Misfit]

14 hours ago, Comics said:

Stuff like racism, homophobia and other bigoted seem to have attracted little attention or repercussions garnering the regular punishments for most other rule breaks

someone correct me if im wrong  but aint racism a warning first in some cases? (besides the blatant "/advert I HATE {you know}") 

[Guac]

45 minutes ago, Misfit said:

someone correct me if im wrong  but aint racism a warning first in some cases? (besides the blatant "/advert I HATE {you know}") 

I believe he is referencing anything outside of ingame. 

[A-a-ron]

On 3/24/2022 at 6:31 AM, Misfit said:

someone correct me if im wrong  but aint racism a warning first in some cases? (besides the blatant "/advert I HATE {you know}") 

The IP jokes are also a warning for the first time, unless its malicious enough

[Finn]

Get better jokes

 

honestly, the fact that people are unironically defending IP jokes is kinda sad. Yes it's a funny joke once in awhile, and the rules were recently updated so you get a warning first, and it's not blanket enforcement, what more do you want? Not only is it way past it's expiration date, but there have been actual issues where people have felt unsafe about the jokes being made at/around them. 

 

Again, get better jokes

[A-a-ron]

21 minutes ago, Finn said:

Get better jokes

 

honestly, the fact that people are unironically defending IP jokes is kinda sad. Yes it's a funny joke once in awhile, and the rules were recently updated so you get a warning first, and it's not blanket enforcement, what more do you want? Not only is it way past it's expiration date, but there have been actual issues where people have felt unsafe about the jokes being made at/around them. 

 

Again, get better jokes

By this comment I can tell you just didn't read the suggestion, I stated twice that its not a good joke, read the suggestion. If anyone is made to feel unsafe then yes, there's an issue, but if its a joke between friends and someone else hears it and reports it, why should that be bannable.

Edited March 27, 2022 by A-a-ron

[Finn]

15 minutes ago, A-a-ron said:

By this comment I can tell you just didn't read the suggestion, I stated twice that its not a good joke, read the suggestion. If anyone is made to feel unsafe then yes, there's an issue, but if its a joke between friends and someone else hears it and reports it, why should that be bannable.

I read the suggestion, and while you did say you think it's not a good joke, there are many in the community that still do. My comments weren't directed solely at you (I'm sorry if it came across that way), but at the group of people who continue to bring this up as if it's a massive deal. This has been addressed multiple times over the last 3 months, by Directors and by Founders. The rules have been altered so that it's not an instant ban, and up to the discretion of Directors. I don't see the point of asking for more at this point. This is the last I'm gonna say on this thread (if you wanna talk on TS or discord I'm down), but I sincerely think this is a waste of brainpower for anyone to be devoting time to. I know I'm not gonna change your mind on this, so I'll agree to disagree. 

 

I appreciate you trying to open a dialogue instead of just dumbing me and moving on.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Finn

[A-a-ron]

1 minute ago, Finn said:

I read the suggestion, and while you did say you think it's not a good joke, there are many in the community that still do. My comments weren't directed solely at you (I'm sorry if it came across that way), but at the group of people who continue to bring this up as if it's a massive deal. This has been addressed multiple times over the last 3 months, by Directors and by Founders. The rules have been altered so that it's not an instant ban, and up to the discretion of Directors. I don't see the point of asking for more at this point. This is the last I'm gonna say on this thread (if you wanna talk on TS or discord I'm down), but I sincerely think this is a waste of brainpower for anyone to be devoting time to. I know I'm not gonna change your mind on this, so I'll agree to disagree. 

 

I appreciate you trying to open a dialogue instead of just dumbing me and moving on.

I just personally think the rule is far too strict to the point were I can get banned for saying 3 wacky numbers to your friend or sending a gif or picture that says I have your IP. Just seems too far especially if the person you "targeted" thought it was funny and didn't have a problem with it

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