DC-17m Buff

[Trofi]

Name: Trofi/Tech

RP Rank: PVT

Suggestion: Buffing the DC-17m to be on par with the Westar

Implementation: Increasing the damage of the DC-17m (cc2018_dc17m) to 43.

Lore: The DC-17m is the signature weapon of Republic Commandos. Being such, one can imply that firepower is a major component of the DC-17m for Republic Commandos to make quick disposal of droids. While it does have a high firerate, the damage output does not match its famed status. While the high firerate should melt droids and personnel alike in theory, the DC-17m lacks the damage to finish them off quickly. Factoring in Garry's Mod's inherent hitbox problem, the DC-17m is further lacking in the damage it so really needs. By buffing the damage to 43, it should be able to live up to what makes Republic Commandos so fearsome in the battlefield.  

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Edited July 25, 2020 by Trofi

[Keo]

-1

The fire rate is already pretty high. I don't think it should get that much damage. If it were something lower then maybe. 

EDIT: ALSO HERE IS SOME MATH!

Westar is 55 damage and 380 RPM. 55x380 is 20,900.

DC-17M is 38 damage and 650 RPM. 38x650 is 24,700.

You are now suggest buffing to 43 damage. 

43x650 is 27,950 damage a minute.

Your previous suggestion before the edit was 47 damage a shot which would be: 47x650 = 30,550 damage a minute.

 

Therefore the DC-17M is arguably already better than the westar by doing 3,800 more damage a minute WITHOUT a buff.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Keo
Added math

[Pythin]

 

This is what the Gun gonna look like after a Buff if you raise the fire rate.

Just up the Damage and keep the fire rate the same

+1

[Inosuke]

-1, if buffed this much, it'll fire much more than the westar, and you want it to be on par with the westar, it shouldn't do that much damage.

[Shockpoint]

I mean I’m gonna +1 but holy fuck that’s gonna be overpowered. The fire rate would break the game, but I think a small damage buff isn’t that crazy to think about

Edited July 25, 2020 by Shockpoint

[Trofi]

27 minutes ago, Keo said:

-1

The fire rate is already pretty high. I don't think it should get that much damage. If it were something lower then maybe. 

EDIT: ALSO HERE IS SOME MATH!

Westar is 55 damage and 380 RPM. 55x380 is 20,900.

DC-17M is 38 damage and 650 RPM. 38x650 is 24,700.

Therefore the DC-17M is arguably already better than the westar by doing 3,800 more damage a minute.

However, high fire rate archetypes are inherently at a disadvantage due to Garry's Mod lag and hitbox problems. As I said, in theory it should be good, but in practice the DC-17m is considered worse than the Westar. Empirical data outweighs theoretical data. 

Also, you fail to take into account the accuracy of the Westar. With the scope, it hits more shots than the DC-17m.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Trofi

[Keo]

11 hours ago, Trofi said:

However, high fire rate archetypes are inherently at a disadvantage due to Garry's Mod lag and hitbox problems. As I said, in theory it should be good, but in practice the DC-17m is considered worse than the Westar. Empirical data outweighs theoretical data. 

Also, you fail to take into account the accuracy of the Westar. With the scope, it hits more shots than the DC-17m.

I hope you understand that the DC-17m is built to serve as a short range to medium range weapon. This is why it has lower damage and higher fire rate.

The Westar is more or less a marksman's rifle which is why it has a lower firing rate and higher damage. This also explains why the Westar gets a scope on it with improved accuracy.

A Westar should be able to beat someone with a DC-17M from a distance. Likewise at short range someone with a DC-17M should be able to shred the person using the Westar.

My point is that they are built differently because these guns are meant to be used very differently.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Keo
I'm an idiot and can't spell properly

[Bleach]

-1 Gun already go brrrrr

 

[Mitchell]

The firerate for the weapon on the main server is lower than on the event server due to tick rate.
If you use it on the event server it functions alot better.

[Guac]

-1 for reasons stated by K E O
 

 

Edited July 26, 2020 by xX_Mosby_Xx

[NootNoot]

-1 DC17M go brrr

[Ratio]

-1

 

[Conrad]

-1 I actually have to agree with a lot of other people. Its one of the stronger guns in the game already.

[Merrill]

-1

Comparing an SMG to what is essentially a DMR and wanting them to be equal XD

Keo does a really good job explaining the gun logistics, to the point it makes me think he has worked in game development or balancing before.

[Naffen]

-1, suggestion was made already and voided due to us actually testing and comparing and finding it is actually OP. The dps equals out in the end and actually is superior to most weapons 

[Comics]

-1, that shit is already alpha dog status.

Why would it even need to be any better

[IKE]

-1 why do u want it to be on par with the westar, it takes away any uniqueness and makes it boring. #BringBackBattalionBuffs

[Dennis]

-1 bruh a suggestion was just denied about this subject. Also bruh moment just hit your shots more ;) 

[Eclipse]

-1

 

The 17M is already quite good. I think it is a viable weapon rn still so just hit shots more I guess? Idk.

You guys are fine

[Gears]

-1

Its a great weapon already.

[Eagle]

-1 it already is a pretty strong weapon.

[Lix]

+1 

the weapon is not brrrrr 

i believe upping it to maybe 40 would make it fine

[Wren]

-1 Cause if you do that then the people who bought it would get mad as they spent 85$

 

[Bananaberry]

Suggestion denied
9.) If a suggestion is denied, one must wait 60 days before it can be posted again.

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//moved to denied