Trofi Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Name: Trofi/Tech RP Rank: PVT Suggestion: Buffing the DC-17m to be on par with the Westar Implementation: Increasing the damage of the DC-17m (cc2018_dc17m) to 43. Lore: The DC-17m is the signature weapon of Republic Commandos. Being such, one can imply that firepower is a major component of the DC-17m for Republic Commandos to make quick disposal of droids. While it does have a high firerate, the damage output does not match its famed status. While the high firerate should melt droids and personnel alike in theory, the DC-17m lacks the damage to finish them off quickly. Factoring in Garry's Mod's inherent hitbox problem, the DC-17m is further lacking in the damage it so really needs. By buffing the damage to 43, it should be able to live up to what makes Republic Commandos so fearsome in the battlefield. Workshop content if applicable:The one we use of the server (cc2018_dc17m) If you are asking to add or change a job, fill out the following Add or Change: N/A Job: N/A Slots: N/A Description: N/A Model: N/A Weapons: cc2018_dc17m Other: N/A Edited July 25, 2020 by Trofi 1 Report Link to comment
Keo Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) -1 The fire rate is already pretty high. I don't think it should get that much damage. If it were something lower then maybe. EDIT: ALSO HERE IS SOME MATH! Westar is 55 damage and 380 RPM. 55x380 is 20,900. DC-17M is 38 damage and 650 RPM. 38x650 is 24,700. You are now suggest buffing to 43 damage. 43x650 is 27,950 damage a minute. Your previous suggestion before the edit was 47 damage a shot which would be: 47x650 = 30,550 damage a minute. Therefore the DC-17M is arguably already better than the westar by doing 3,800 more damage a minute WITHOUT a buff. Edited July 25, 2020 by Keo Added math 4 Report Link to comment
Pythin Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 This is what the Gun gonna look like after a Buff if you raise the fire rate. Just up the Damage and keep the fire rate the same +1 1 Report Former: Liaison Link to comment
Inosuke Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 -1, if buffed this much, it'll fire much more than the westar, and you want it to be on par with the westar, it shouldn't do that much damage. Link to comment
Shockpoint Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) I mean I’m gonna +1 but holy fuck that’s gonna be overpowered. The fire rate would break the game, but I think a small damage buff isn’t that crazy to think about Edited July 25, 2020 by Shockpoint If you use the RC Shotgun you are automatically cringe. Link to comment
Trofi Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Keo said: -1 The fire rate is already pretty high. I don't think it should get that much damage. If it were something lower then maybe. EDIT: ALSO HERE IS SOME MATH! Westar is 55 damage and 380 RPM. 55x380 is 20,900. DC-17M is 38 damage and 650 RPM. 38x650 is 24,700. Therefore the DC-17M is arguably already better than the westar by doing 3,800 more damage a minute. However, high fire rate archetypes are inherently at a disadvantage due to Garry's Mod lag and hitbox problems. As I said, in theory it should be good, but in practice the DC-17m is considered worse than the Westar. Empirical data outweighs theoretical data. Also, you fail to take into account the accuracy of the Westar. With the scope, it hits more shots than the DC-17m. Edited July 25, 2020 by Trofi 1 Report Link to comment
Keo Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Trofi said: However, high fire rate archetypes are inherently at a disadvantage due to Garry's Mod lag and hitbox problems. As I said, in theory it should be good, but in practice the DC-17m is considered worse than the Westar. Empirical data outweighs theoretical data. Also, you fail to take into account the accuracy of the Westar. With the scope, it hits more shots than the DC-17m. I hope you understand that the DC-17m is built to serve as a short range to medium range weapon. This is why it has lower damage and higher fire rate. The Westar is more or less a marksman's rifle which is why it has a lower firing rate and higher damage. This also explains why the Westar gets a scope on it with improved accuracy. A Westar should be able to beat someone with a DC-17M from a distance. Likewise at short range someone with a DC-17M should be able to shred the person using the Westar. My point is that they are built differently because these guns are meant to be used very differently. Edited July 25, 2020 by Keo I'm an idiot and can't spell properly 1 Report Link to comment
Bleach Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 -1 Gun already go brrrrr 1 1 Report I am Best Canadian on the Server The Smoke Will Never Clear... Link to comment
Mitchell Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 The firerate for the weapon on the main server is lower than on the event server due to tick rate. If you use it on the event server it functions alot better. 2 Report Link to comment
Guac Posted July 25, 2020 Forum Admin Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) -1 for reasons stated by K E O Edited July 26, 2020 by xX_Mosby_Xx 🎀 𝙵𝚊𝚛𝚝 𝚂𝚖𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚊 🎀 <3 Link to comment
NootNoot Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 -1 DC17M go brrr 1 Report So Basically ANIME Link to comment
Ratio Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 -1 The Reprehensible Ratio! #RemoveJedi #RenameRancorToARC Link to comment
Conrad Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 -1 I actually have to agree with a lot of other people. Its one of the stronger guns in the game already. Link to comment
Merrill Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 -1 Comparing an SMG to what is essentially a DMR and wanting them to be equal XD Keo does a really good job explaining the gun logistics, to the point it makes me think he has worked in game development or balancing before. The guy who got drunk and pretended to be a vacuum for an hour Link to comment
Naffen Posted July 25, 2020 Forum Admin Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 -1, suggestion was made already and voided due to us actually testing and comparing and finding it is actually OP. The dps equals out in the end and actually is superior to most weapons I added the Pepe emojis onto the forums Link to comment
Comics Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 -1, that shit is already alpha dog status. Why would it even need to be any better The most fuckable person on Synergy Star Wars RP~ Link to comment
IKE Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 -1 why do u want it to be on par with the westar, it takes away any uniqueness and makes it boring. #BringBackBattalionBuffs Link to comment
Dennis Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 -1 bruh a suggestion was just denied about this subject. Also bruh moment just hit your shots more ;) 1 Report Current: Kevin Colt leader of the Colt Crime Syndicate | Alpha-69 Dennis Former: BCMD Doom x3| Havoc Squad Brimstone x3 | Base Ops CMD | Delta Jedi | BCMD Colt | BCMD Bacara | Specialized Regimental Commander x2 | First Count Dooku and creator of the CIS | Rear Admiral Orson Krennic Link to comment
Eclipse Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 -1 The 17M is already quite good. I think it is a viable weapon rn still so just hit shots more I guess? Idk. You guys are fine 1 Report Yes, I do hate fat people. Former Ordo Skirata Link to comment
Gears Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 -1 Its a great weapon already. Currently trying to not be a forum gremlin Former Chancellor Palpatine | Former Yoda & Mace Windu | Former Shaak Ti & Anakin | Former Delta Squad Scorch | Former Mas Amedda | Former Director | Former Management Link to comment
Eagle Posted August 2, 2020 Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 -1 it already is a pretty strong weapon. Link to comment
Lix Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 +1 the weapon is not brrrrr i believe upping it to maybe 40 would make it fine Link to comment
Wren Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 -1 Cause if you do that then the people who bought it would get mad as they spent 85$ Aye I'm in 212th! Link to comment
Bananaberry Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Suggestion denied9.) If a suggestion is denied, one must wait 60 days before it can be posted again. //locked //moved to denied Former: CWRP Director, CWRP Intel Director, Current: Gamer Forever: Shitty helmet artist Link to comment
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