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Okay so I'm gonna say this now, scrolling through this was absolutely cancer. 1.) This isn't a conversation thread, make a conversation thread about it, it is a vote thread, I hate seeing someone's name 9000000 times on the same fucking post that's a voting post. Or PM each other 2.) This is extremely controversial as people have spent money specifically to join Sith. 3.) The Dark Council is FINALLY forming and leadership is starting to take hold inside of the sith, and again we're kicking it down. 4.) In my opinion, Clones are worse at RP and tend to escalate shit way higher than where it needs to be with "Civilians" who are on sith, I do agree some sith can be cancer, but some of them are actually trying their hardest. Usually, clones are the incompetent ones who look to aim and fire at a civilian literally standing near the Ewok village. I have 9 different experiences with clones saying "lets just fucking kill them" as a group of clones run up the mountain. Seems pretty idiotic and ignorant to say "SITH SUCK AT RP" when 6 times out of 10 that's the experience the clones give for "RP". So what? Should I remove clones for being "Incompetent" no? what the fuck lol. 5.) @Zim put his heart and soul into the sabers/force abilities/characters. -1, waste of time. Plus I just want to put the counter closer towards even so I can just close this suggestion. I say give them enough time to get leadership that isn't high staff and see where it goes, as I see 4 bright futures in the sith already. Good luck. AND NO I AM NOT GOING TO REPLY TO YOUR IGNORANT POST OF #CHANGEMYMIND, because this isn't an ego contest, it's a vote. Please fucking keep it that way.

To be fair, you should be using the Civilian job in public. Otherwise you'd be detained by the Republic. Just being clear.

USE YOUR CIVILIAN BODYGROUPR YOU REQUESTED REEEEEEEEEEEE

Name: Metro Suggestion: Remove the Sith Order. Implementation: Remove the Sith Order as a Faction. Lore: Listen, I am all for adding our own lore. Hell I have enjoyed having some lesser known characters and battalions on the server. But this is down right and utterly immersion breaking. Having an entire Sith Order after the rule of two was implemented breaks the whole point of Clone Wars. All the lore goes against having this here and it is CLEARLY not attributing to the roleplay on the server. Earlier today we had an incident were the 501st allied with the Sith essentially creating a treasonous battalion against the Republic. (Which would never happen due to the chips.) Palpatine would never have allowed this to happen, the rule of two is something he believed in. This is downright and utterly unacceptable. Like I said before, I believe in custom lore but only to the point where it doesn't make the server nowhere near what it should be. Currently, I can count on my hand how many good experiences I have had with the Sith. Most of those come from Lord Chrome which is the exception to what I am going to say. The Sith Order has no intent of roleplaying. They masquerade as "Citizens" who constantly harass the Republic Forces and straight up minge. This is NECESSARY to in sure this is taken as a Serious RP server like you wish it to be. This isn't a Jedi vs Sith server, its a "Serious Clone Wars RP" Server. Let's take the steps in fixing this now and promote better roleplay through a good strong lore basis.

Imagine not having to code in all the Sith sabers anymore. +1 Imagine being the one who coded in all the current ones and lost so much of my time and life.. -1 Big sad.

I'm just curious if something will happen to the 501st that orchestrated such a traitorous deal; Even if a Founder/The Sith Lord endorsed it, seems like new ground. My 2 cents, revert the Sith Order into the CIS. People could be B1/B2 droids, Tactical droids, etc. Abridged rank system, could have Dooku be their Palpatine, Asajj as Mas Amedda and Grievous as the Marshal equivalents. Would be seen as just one big Battalion with some sub-units (Magna Guards, Commando Droids, etc) while underneath one or a few "BCMDs" (Maybe even bring in General Kalani as the BCMD of the Droids). They could part-take on the offensive side of events where the CIS is attacking and give more depth to the story/characters as there are on-going situations. Could even include CIS Senators and double agents where CIS Senators who are masked as Republic Senators have interactions. Also adds more to the role of Palpatine to be able to roleplay with the CIS as Sidious. It's simpler, more streamlined and doesn't require VIP so open to all. Best of all, lore friendly.

Hot opinion.... We keep sith right? But instead, they now have to sit in BCC all day and open and close doors. They can also NEVER LEAVE. EVER. This will foster true hatred, and grant them unlimited edge power over clones to passive rp with

I'm no server owner or community manager or anything like that, so this might just be me being ignorant, but this kinda just sounds like Clone Wars turned into MRP.

just because something is in character, doesn't mean it isn't useless and wasting everyone's time Sitting there and listening to someone drone on for 15 minutes about things entirely unrelated to the event and going on several different tangents while doing it, is NOT useful and is almost the definition of a useless PTS. I actually don't think this was a misunderstanding but was also just kind of a jerk move.

If a sith is to be detained, let the Jedi handle it. The republic is not equipped to detain and hold Sith without unnecessary loss of clone and possible civilian life. Clones should be allowed to continue killing Sith that wear their non civvie clothes unless there is a Jedi present. By "the republic" i mean the clone army

Because we've tried to detain several times. It's never worked so why keep trying? You are enemies of the Republic that have killed several of our brothers. You are KOS in my books.

Cmonbruh. Everytime we try to detain Sith they go apeshit and start trying to kill us all. Don't even start with that argument. Remove the rep bullshit then try again. Sticking with my -1.

You were given the Civilian bodygroupr for a reason. Use it. We were told if you are in the Sith bodygroupr you are considered Sith and are KOS. Clones are bred to fight the enemies of the Republic which you are. -1 Yeah no.

You can't use a lore argument here. It doesn't exist in this time era......

-1 just use the right bodygrouper. Clones won’t just be friends with Sith in the show so why would they do it on the server

I'm sorry but this "Attack Battalion Pact" with the Sith is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Whoever was apart of this should be court marshaled ASAP. This not only goes against how the Republic Military works but it goes against the Clones in general. In my honest opinion this pact bullshit should be considered FailRP and all Clones associated with this type of stuff should be court marshaled. High Command is there for a reason and this should fall into their hands and if not their hands it should be Palpatine alone.

(I know I'll get shit for this) Well RIP Darth... Okay, time for my response. First off, we have council members that will deal with any issues being cause externally, you can easily report it to them, or a lord, who would then report it to the council. But hey, hierarchy isn't needed, right? I get it, honestly. I get the complaint you are making here and I've seen the arguments in OOC over dumb shit that both sides are honestly to blame over. I have seen issues with the sith myself, constantly attacking shit like outposts. Constant bickering over OOC chat isn't going to help anyone, except your own egos (not excluding sith in that argument). You can go to teamspeak and find people (the council) to report it to, as I've said already. It's hard for 5 people to monitor the entirety of the rest of sith without people coming to us first. It's not like we're just going to know every and all situations that goes on. It's not like we're gods that sees and hears everything. We need you to bring forward your problems so a change can be made for the better. Expecting the council to handle a situation that was not seen or heard of directly is unfair, and quite stupid to think of. Personally, I really like being a sith. this falls under my own opinion, but I enjoy it. I can't say much for the rest, but when/if I can, I prevent any attacks on outposts, as I know how frequently they've occurred and how annoying they are. I know, I've been one of those annoying fucks at one stage. An issue I've seen though, is that they don't listen, nor care. I don't even act hostile to clones, unless they're being dumbasses and trying to detain me with no reasoning whatsoever. I always tell people to focus more on the Jedi side of things on the server because constant kidnapping of clones is useless to a sith. And I'll be honest... I never planned on fully returning to the server again after my last time, but after playing sith for a week or two, it really sparked my interest again, and here I am 3 months later, Darth and Dark Council, that I've worked hard to get. I'm not saying nobody else in the sith worked hard to earn their positions, as this is just a personal view, as I know a lot of them earned their positions. I've been trying to make sith better, more active etc., but with the constant shit we get in OOC and on the forums, without being reported to a lord or council member, it just kills motivations, mine included.. There are also issues I have with clones, like how if we show ourselves in our sith outfits, we are instantly shot.. no questions asked. I know a rule was made that any sith that isn't in their civilian bodygrouper can be KOS. And that's what everyone does, 100% of the time. You can't really complain about us not trying to rp as we get shot the fuck up anytime we try and be our own characters. That's just hypocritical. Not EVERY sith wants to just kill people, people do enjoy the roleplay of it. Yet, nobody cares. Don't get me wrong, I still understand the complaints, and they're very valid... but I haven't received them personally. I wasn't even involved with the whole 501st situation, and when I heard of it I wasn't a fan anyways. I prefer the sith being sith and only having themselves to rely on. I've even memed about a sith purge so to speak on multiple occasions. I know a lot of sith are dumbasses, including myself at times, but who isn't? I could've turned this response into a shit post and talked shit, there are complaints that go both ways, I don't bring it up in OOC though (9 times out of 10). Now should this suggestion get accepted, well, all that work put in by the Council, is null. All the shit we did or try to do in the future is void. And everyone that tried or tries to make a difference will be shutdown, whatever I guess.. right? If this suggestion is denied, I assure there will be many changes in the future, to make it a more stable environment for everyone involved. Overall, -1. I've (we've) worked too hard to get it all ripped away.

PTL X1 to kill Jedi

+1 When I first heard the Sith was being introduced I was concerned. It didn't make sense lore wise and I had a feeling like it was just going to be a huge mess from the start. However, I will swallow my pride and say that the Sith wasn't a completely stupid idea. It brought a breath of fresh air into the server and I believe we're the only Clone Wars server to actually include this sort of stuff. Which is good, It allows us to stand out and be unique. Some of the comments I've read have said that some of the Sith aren't bad, they RP well and don't minge. This is true, like everyone else, the person who first comes to mind is Chrome. However, I've had nothing but bad experiences with the Sith. One example of this is the Republic ID checkpoint that we had yesterday (13/04/2019). Before the Nulls set up the amazing ID checkpoint at Bravo yesterday, the 104th tried to do the same but without props. We attempted to stop the "Civilians" to check their ID as we had a lot of "Insurgent attacks on the outpost" (aka, the Sith were attacking the base in their Civilian player models and then ran away). When we went to stop the "civilians" and asked for their IDs they just screamed "I DoN't hAvE tO sHoW YoU aNyThInG" or "It'S nOt a RuLe" and proceeded to either run away or use force abilities (force jump) to get away. Now, I understand that they don't have to do these things. But this was a some passive RP that we wanted to do because there hadn't been an event or encounter for hours. So whats my point? Whenever the clones attempt to treat the "civilians" as actual civilians we just get yelled at by the Sith in disguise because the rules state this that and the other. So whenever we get deployed to an Outpost to defend it, we need to sit there with Sith antagonising us until we give a response then they kill us. We consistently attempt to RP with the Sith but they don't want to be apart of it. And its not just a few bad apples, there is only actually a handful of people in the Sith who attempt to RP with us and are not minges etc. The rest of the Sith just look for different ways to annoy the fuck out of the Clones. I also believe that yesterday (14/04/2019) one Sith claimed to have autism and was sat at bravo outpost just being a general annoyance, until the rest of his friends opened fire on the outpost and killed us all. Their version of RP is "/me slices comms tower and bravo / alpha", then they attack, steal data, kill some clones and when the reinforcements arrive they run back to the "space port" where we can't follow. They then return merely minutes later to repeat the process or just antagonise the troops stationed at an outpost so they can find a reason to fight. And in all honesty its a fucking meme to everyone. TL;DR: The introduction of the Sith was a good Idea but they're nothing but a nuisance to everyone. They can't RP well or simply refuse to do so. A good majority of the community wants to see them gone and for good reason.

Couldn't have said it better myself, +1.

-1 get someone to manage it properly, and make it good. There is too much potential.

Every encounter I have with Sith I drop 10 IQ points. Chrome is legit the only one that TRIES to RP as a Sith. The rest of you fuckers just stand outside the outposts and berate the clones, then bitch and complain about getting shot at and call out FailRP. I don't like Sith, I hate interacting with them, and they cause more problems than what they're worth. That being said Sith have so much potential to be better. Their problem lies in the way that they RP. In military outposts and a sector, as a civilian there's only so much you can do. THAT is their issue and they need to change. I'm sick of having to act like a dumbass who is oblivious to everything as soon as a Sith walks into a room or is doing shit. It's goddamn annoying and it makes me lose brain cells. +1. Will change to neutral if Sith can figure it out.

-1 I like being on my Sith, it gives me something to do so I don’t have to be on my clone job all the time. Like many other people said most of the time people don’t want to rp on both sides, they just want to shoot, exactly what happened during events. I’ll be on my marauder and standing on mountains and people will come up to me ask me what I’m doing then run away, or even sometimes try to detain me (which if I get captured I lose my lord). I’ll come talk to you guys sometimes near bravo or alpha where all clones hang out and they’ll tell me to leave since I’m on “Republic Property” it’s a weird situation but I don’t think removing Sith . What more can someone have us do, we try to take over an outpost then 1 person finds us then the whole base heads to that outpost so we can find jetpack boys just flying around shooting their mini guns,flamethrowers, and Z6 (which I have) am we have no chance of defending. Then if we encounter a Jedi and this time actually rp it ends in a saber fight and if people find us they break rules of engagement and shoot at the Jedi and I. All in all the problem isn’t the Sith, it’s how the server is responding to each other.

I’m JuSt A CiViLiAn WiTh A LiGhTsAbEr Honestly Chrome is the only one that actually role plays as a sith. +1

Could say the exact same thing for a majority of lore characters in battalions and some battalions themselves.

Especially since the last time we tried to make a truce they tried to kill Palpatine

NO THIS IS THE MAX SIZE

This right here I 100% agree with this is what it should be.

You fckn made a suggestion for it and you got it. Use it.

Okay whoever is running the Sith remove this system. This is hands down ruining majority of the RP for Sith and the Republic alike.

This rep system for the Sith is dumb and should be removed. Clones detaining Civilians breaking rules is RP, and this rep bullshit ruins it bc the Sith don't want to be captured. Really stupid system imo.

When Patrols were introduced Encounters were made so that VIPs can grab an Admin+ to fuck with patrols as say, a Commando Droid patrol, or passive RP like say a Trandoshan hunting on the planet. I’d much rather see those things happen than the constant /advert *Cuts Alpha Comms* or just the General annoyance of the Sith at the Outposts. I see that some of you are saying that the Clones don’t RP with the Sith as Civilians, but you gotta keep in mind this is an unknown Republic Controlled Mining planet and Civilians would not be allowed on or near the Republic Base and/or Outposts. Technically the Republic wouldn’t shoot Civilians for loitering on Republic Property. It SHOULD be 3 warning then a detain, but apparently the Sith will go ape shit and rather get gunned down than RP. I have seen several Sith that were about to get detained for RP reason just switch bodygroupr (or don’t) and start stabbing Clones all because they don’t want to lose rep? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. That makes it to where they can’t RP, because the logical thing for Clones to do is tell Civilians is to warm them to leave and the Sith should RP as a civilian and fucking leave because there are a dozen armed men at the Outpost ready to fuck them up.

Cloud has a point where Sith Scum are a nice fun thing to complain about all their flaws and annoyances but they can be fun to hunt and can keep people entertained in dead time -1

Gray Jedi anyone

-1, If Sith gets removed, it’ll remove the PvP aspect of the server. Some of us Sith have worked too hard for our positions and it would be unfair to have them removed in a swift action.

The lore of the clone wars era sith order is that a group of force sensitives were loyal to the old republic sith's ideals. It is not unbelievably far-fetched in the star wars universe that a group of force sensitives didn't fit into the philosophy of the jedi and couldn't join the rule of 2 so that they studied and recreated the old republic era sith empire

I understand we need to give them a chance and "allow the sith to roleplay rather than just killing them". But whenever we've tried to do so in the past the Sith will always turn around and stab us in the back. Which then means we can't trust them and thats why the clones are always on edge, because 95% of the time they turn on the clones and try to kill them or capture them. Maybe if different RP strategies were implemented then this attitude towards the Sith might change. *EDIT* I don't want to argue. I'm just pointing out the reasons behind why we act like we do sometimes. Because we have no choice, we're all waiting for the moment when the Sith turn around and try to kill us all because they feel like it.

As a sith player, I personally agree with many of your points. I believe a rework should happen. But outright removal will cause issues for not just me, but everyone who had joined the Sith for a fun time. A lot of RP aspects need to be reviewed and revised, and I agree that the lore breaking is an issue. I just don't see removal as the way to go.

-1 Tbh I don't like the idea of the Sith being the Sith, it'd make way more sense if they were just a cult of dark side Force users. Lore aside though, whenever the Sith are involved, it seems like people try and set them up to fail. As a Clone, Senator, and a Sith, I've seen people constantly metagame, break rules, and overall shit on the Sith, both IC and OOC. Not, I'm not saying the Sith are perfect (far from it, they suck at RP), but if being bad at RP is a reason to get removed, there'd only be 4 jobs left on the server. The biggest issue I've seen with the Sith is trash leadership, which has gone leaps and bounds in terms of quality as the Sith have establishes themselves, don't get me wrong, but right now, barring a few people like Chrome, most are ambivalent, inadequate, or are actively part of the problem. Sith have pretty much cemented their place on the server IMO. When executed correctly, they give the server some much needed depth, and something different. Sith leadership need to be more transparent with punishing their own, and make sure it's consistent, and clones need to stop metagaming the Sith every 5 seconds and accept that other people want to RP too.

-1, Destroying the Sith for something like this is ridiculous, people enjoy playing as sith and RP as them but throwing it all away because of a couple bad apples isn't necessary at all. Instead if you have issues with higher ups report them or suggest a wipe but to rid the sith completely is blown out of proportion!

Neutral I say if anything recycle it into an event jobs 🤷‍♂️(Even though I don’t Like em) they have helped me a lot improving my knowledge on the hit boxes with the wiltos system because of the non stop attacks when they first came out 😂😂

-1 as i started to play as a sith, I enjoy RPing as a sith for it is new and I feel I can RP very well. When I was a Jedi with no sith, it was very hard to RP for there is no enemy to RP(talking wise) with. I believe Siths is a great self-playing role that does not require Game Masters. This is like the only time a Jedi can vs a sith with no one having crazy health and can actually have a 15 minute RP with 5-minute spare, concluding with one or the other fleeing

MFW Someone suggests to remove sith For real though Sith are 'alright' to RP with, and they can even be fun and it gives alot of people something to do, however it's "kind of" a power trip, but thats what sith is. If you want to actually roleplay and not be a retard minging on sith then you can actually get a lot out of it. Many people don't want to RP with sith and just see them as literally being like "Hippity hoppity get off my property" and fucking gat them down, but you 'can' get a lot out of sith roleplay. Tl;dr you can get alot out of Sith v Person roleplay, be it jedi or clone, but a lot people dont want too, on either sides most of the time. Neutral

This is a very bold move to make, and I'll give you that for sure. However, I don't think they can go anywhere. Let's just look at the facts, the problems when it comes to Sith failing to roleplay stems from the fact that they're utilized improperly. When I first heard about the Sith coming to Synergy I was a bit concerned myself, but it was easy to see where it had came from. A while back, there was a call to make our CWRP more like MRP where the Clones could go up against CIS forces. For what ever reason, this inkling of an idea was scrapped -- probably either due to the poor management of MRP as well as trying to make it more friendly to the Directors as setting up CIS Forces would likely be far more of a challenge than need be. It would basically be creating a plethora of different new battalions for no real reason when a lot of Clone Battalions were hurting at the time. In way, I can still see a concept like this working by downsizing the entire CIS into a few jobs, but it would likely just cheapen the scale of the Clone Wars as a whole. The Sith seemed to be added so they can take up the reins as an adversary to the Republic, making patrols more tense and interesting for the troopers who had decided they wanted to step out of the base. Personally, I like the Sith as a concept and sacrificing the canon for this was a pretty good choice. However the issue with the Sith lies with how badly managed it is right now. The Sith have potential, great potential in fact -- but it's not looked after at all. The people who are currently in charge of the Sith order (talking about people of the Dark Council) seem to consist of players that had resigned ages ago. So, already there's no drive to do good on Sith because the people leading it have no drive to, well, lead it. I've said this to a lot of people and this kind of applies to the Sith, "the activity of a group is directly correlated to the activity of its leader". I'm not saying the Sith need to be wiped, but this is a good thing to keep in mind before making the decision to just remove it right away. This also ties in a bit with their behavior, because if someone isn't there to reprehend Sith who FailRP and do various other stupid things, then they'll keep doing it because of the Sith seeming like an anarchist faction. Plus, countless hours of effort has gone into making the Sith something so just kind of removing them would probably leave a lot of the server's assets really pointless. Maybe we can try a different solution?

JUST Making this Clear because apparently no one knows this... Base Command Center, can be Manned by Base Operations & Captain+... And if no one else is available Shock Troopers can run the BCC. BASE Operations do not have 1 Job which everyone thinks that battalion is only to man the BCC. Base Operations Run Engineering, Medical, ATC... It is NOT only there job to run the Base Command Center. However I Would not mind a Second Button for the Blast Doors/Gate... I dont think location would work due to minges. However it is worth a Shot. TLDR +1. But STOP Bitching at BO about the Gate ANY Captain + CAN Let personnel OUT!

Neutral, I believe if you put the right people as the Dark Lord and the other shit, it can be fixed,due to one of the Founders being it like it’s hard for him to even be online and do anything, in my opinion it was a bad idea to give founders the first Dark Lord of the sith, now it’s kind of dying and I know multiple people wanted to be the Dark Lord, and some of them are good for it, but sometimes the sith just popping up doesn’t make sense. Also Zim worked hard for it so nah

+1 I like the concept and the backup page (I hate the fact that a mando scum A'den is wearing an airborne helmet and is kinda orange!!!!!! (side not I'm kidding and love you guys))

I think the real problem is that people generally "don't roll with it". Most of the time when people do roll with it during roleplay, everything goes smoothly and everyone have great rp. Mos of the time when people don't roll with it, then it leaves bad taste in everybody's mouth and nobody wins. The closest comparison I can think of the difference between Tyler, the Creator, and T.I. in the Eric Andre Show, where one decided to roll with it while the latter did not. Unless I'm completely wrong.

-1 If people gotta wait over 30 seconds for each response in a conversation they might aswell run to the OOC lounge. OOC is OOC for a reason. When it's restricted it just gonna cause more issues relating to communication, especially if things need to be clarified that don't fit in comms.