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[OkamiHybrid]

Voided
Took some of the comments into consideration, and thought it over a bit more and I believe its in DU's best interest to pursue the new shields, as the main reasoning for us getting Z6's back was the current shield is just trash, which makes the idea of our battalion, breaching and clear, being able to secure the front lines and lead heavy advances lackluster as the tool we need to fulfill that idea is awful. If any suggestion like this would pass, I see know it would be a general suggestion requesting to revert the standardization update as a whole, which I'm for, though I don't know the implications of getting that suggestion up.

Edited May 29, 2020 by OkamiHybrid

[Donutz]

+1 DU AS A WHOLE MISSES THEIR Z6

[OneClick]

+1 I've noticed a major difference ever since HWS were implemented. DU was built and shaped around having a heavy defensive shell, with a great force of fire power to defend high value targets.

[Wren]

+1 Very good idea

 

[Naffen]

Pretty sure this was brought up in the community meeting and about if Every DU get their Special thing back then all regiments would want their own thing back so idk -1 Updated

Edited May 29, 2020 by Naffen

[The_Real_Tucker]

+1 I loved the days when the battalion had Z6s. Back in the old days it was a little OP, but the Z6s got slapped with the new weapons update. The battalion was also much more active and the Z6s gave people an incentive to join Doom's Unit. I think getting them back would really help out the battalion.

[Comics]

-1, I get it mate. Everyone lost what made them special but ffs is the sheild not enough. 

No where is it explicitly shown that All DU used Z6s, yeah maybe 2 did but that just doesn't cut it. Lore is not the main issue tho

Everyone got our shit taken and you kept your sheids only because without them you'd be a pointless battalion. You got yoir sub unit too, so saying it's fundamental is just dumb. Use your shields, show them off, make full use of this great asset you've been provided. Don't just set it aside as some minor thing in aspiration for a rotary canon because the "shields aren't enough" more than what 104th and 41st have but they still make do. If the shield isn't a big deal than make it a big deal, actually try to get members with something special not just "big gun go boom"

Not to mention how OP having all jobs have a Z6 is. No other battalion gets anything like this, the closest is RANCOR but they have to go through ARC training to get it. 

If you need help adjusting to the new HWS or want some assistance being noticed talk to HC and ask for ideas, they don't bite.

You already have alot, work with it because that's what the rest of us are doing. It's uneeded, unfair and a tad insulting to ask for more when you've already got so much.

Edited May 29, 2020 by Comics

[OkamiHybrid]

6 minutes ago, Comics said:

-1, I get it mate. Everyone lost what made them special but ffs is the sheild not enough. 

No where is it explicitly shown that All DU used Z6s, yeah maybe 2 did but that just doesn't cut it. Lore is not the main issue tho

Everyone got our shit taken and you kept your sheids only because without them you'd be a pointless battalion. You got yoir sub unit too, so saying it's fundamental is just dumb. Use your shields, show them off, make full use of this great asset you've been provided. Don't just set it aside as some minor thing in aspiration for a rotary canon because the "shields aren't enough" more than what 104th and 41st have but they still make do. If the shield isn't a big deal than make it a big deal, actually try to get members with something special not just "big gun go boom"

Not to mention how OP having all jobs have a Z6 is. No other battalion gets anything like this, the closest is RANCOR but they have to go through ARC training to get it. 

If you need help adjusting to the new HWS or want some assistance being noticed talk to HC and ask for ideas, they don't bite.

You already have alot, work with it because that's what the rest of us are doing. It's uneeded, unfair and a tad insulting to ask for more when you've already got so much.

The issue with utilizing only the shields is the lack of opportunity, the shields are poor in design and work well only when placed down, the main use that would show their specialty would be advancing forward, however due to the shields nature this doesn't work well, they are small and hard to maneuver with. Many of our formations are based around the ideas of having multiple Z6's on hand, however when people have no real incentive to stick with the heavy specialization and they venture to different specializations(Medic, ENG etc). 41st are currently the only "recon" battalion per say, while 104th is, at-least to my knowledge still heavily based with vehicles. If another battalion wishes to regain what they lost in the equalization update, they are able to put up a suggestion. We are just the first battalion so far to do it(to my knowledge). I appreciate your critiques/input. 

[Comics]

1 minute ago, OkamiHybrid said:

The issue with utilizing only the shields is the lack of opportunity, the shields are poor in design and work well only when placed down, the main use that would show their specialty would be advancing forward, however due to the shields nature this doesn't work well, they are small and hard to maneuver with. Many of our formations are based around the ideas of having multiple Z6's on hand

Then ask for a new shield because a Z6 clearly isn't the issue. If anything the z6 seems to make you into a turtle defence battalion. Or maybe start shifting away from relying on the Z6 as it's clearly limiting you, experiment with classes, try new stuff.  Eventually, you will find a new specialisation that DU can fill up 

 

I also brought up 104th because they used to have grapples which was really gimmicky and useless bit brought in easy members. They ask for it back and didn't get it and yet despite having lost that and not being able to use vehicles all the time they still are thriving. 

I'm not gonna respond again because forum mods are scary

[OkamiHybrid]

Just now, Comics said:

Then ask for a new shield because a Z6 clearly isn't the issue. If anything the z6 seems to make you into a turtle defence battalion. Or maybe start shifting away from relying on the Z6 as it's clearly limiting you, experiment with classes, try new stuff.  Eventually, you will find a new specialisation that DU can fill up 

 

I also brought up 104th because they used to have grapples which was really gimmicky and useless bit brought in easy members. They ask for it back and didn't get it and yet despite having lost that and not being able to use vehicles all the time they still are thriving. 

I'm not gonna respond again because forum mods are scary

We've had a suggestion for new shields in pending since ~november. The Z6 was beneficial for us as it allowed us to do much heavier and offensive pushes towards hostiles and thus advance the force or secure an area quickly.

also not gonna respond further due to forum mods being spooky(and not wanting to plague the comment section) once again thanks for your critiques/input :)

[Eclipse]

-1

All jobs having Z6s is a broken OP idea and I don't think it's effective. Last time it was somewhat different as everyone else had something special, too.

If having not enough Z6s is an issue, it seems like a battalion issue of the HVY branch. You need to just get your HVY branch succeeding to get the Z6s like the rest of us. There is no reason a medic would rock a Z6. Just get your HVY branch up and going or make some new formations that don't need that many people. 

DU are already pretty strong as is with their shields. A Z6 would push it over the top and make them more OP than the rest of us, I think.

[Dennis]

+1 

when Joah said in the community meeting that not all of DU would get the z6 anymore it was a PepeYIKES moment. I was interested to see how it would go and we gave it plenty of time and testing. I believe this will make DU a viable battalion to join, i have seen countless CT's ask "hey you have shields and z6's right?" upon hearing that only the heavies get them they walk down to another bunks and tryout somewhere else, this is demoralizing when it was a mainstay of the battalion for the longest time, and still is in other places.

I believe it's time for the z6 to come home, we can't say we have the lore of the 212th or 501st, the ease of use tanks or AT-RTs like the 104th or 41st, we aren't busy doing TECH or EOD like the 21st or ARC like rancor. Now you may say "dEnNiS yOu IdIoT yOu HaVe ThE sHiElD" well my good and fellow gamer it sucks, its dog shit has been always will be, only time its good is on flat ground blocking something. Granted there is the new shield suggestion that has been there since november however even then we aren't certian if that will go through. Using the shield to advance forward will get you shot from NPC's due to the hitbox being as scuffed and you clipping through them or trying to counter that and having your feet show, or being shot by the people you are trying to protect with them from your back. DU was an elite fighting force that could deal with any situation with two things, now one of those has been taken away. 

Also using the whole "yOu GoT yOuR sUb UnIt" is a wack everyone had one and now DU does as well it's 8 slots it won't kill ya to let them have some fun to RP as someone. 

[Metro]

-1 Nope. No Z6 for every job, hell no.

[Marvel]

-1

[The_Real_Tucker]

For the people complaining that having a Z6 for every job would be OP, in the words of our HWS lead, "the new Z6s suck. You can't hit the broadside of a barn with them."

[Marvel]

9 minutes ago, 187thTucker said:

For the people complaining that having a Z6 for every job would be OP, in the words of our HWS lead, "the new Z6s suck. You can't hit the broadside of a barn with them."

When you put a shit ton of em together they will then be OP

[Mantis]

-1 until ninjaman is Doom

Edited May 29, 2020 by Mantis

[Neptune]

Sorry but -1

[NootNoot]

-1 Z6 On an ARC and ARF job haha 

[Hurricane Dog]

I say +1, It will be good for DU to get Z6s back and remove the heavy class.

[OkamiHybrid]

10 minutes ago, NootNoot said:

-1 Z6 On an ARC and ARF job haha 

I can agree with this, I was debating on including these two jobs in the first place as even before arf didn't have shield, if they keep shield than we'd omit the z6 and arc has well... arc loadout

[Egg]

-1 as it has been said before, EVERYONE'S specialty was taken away. Having this reimplimented will not only be unfair to literally every other battalion on the server, but will also make DU disgustingly overpowered. Currently every battalion is the same, which makes sense, except you all have shields that you can place down and use for mobile cover. "But egg, the shields are bad and they hardly block anything!" That's honestly tough, but thats still more than any other battalion on the server. You've been given your reality check just like everyone else. Welcome back to the real world and you have to learn to adjust and not get carried by an entire battalion of z6s.

[DracoOdinson]

-1 as they said befor DU is known for there shields not Z6's

[Inosuke]

-1

Equalization happened for a reason.

[40Ninjaman]

+1 So all you know I am the DU HWSL and also Crush. 

1. The DU subunit has no shields to utilize we just don't have them and it's been brought up.

2. The thing about the shields is they are very difficult to use correctly considering it needs flat ground to stay up in the first place.

3. With the new update for the Z6 they personally will be harder to fight with because the Accuracy is dropping for .3 to .2 but with a damage increase from 20 to 30.

4. The HWS is the current largest branch in DU and we try and try. Your all looking at the z6 like it was the old one that was a literal laser beam it would absolutely shred and destroy everything even just as 1 person. The z6 has changed... the weapons have changed they are not the same op weapons as before. The current z6 has the accuracy of the Dc-15s which no one uses unless in super close range and the z6 has a wind up where once it drops to 153 remaining in the clip that's when it shoots the fastest. I try and raise z6 awareness, but most battalions suffer in the HWS because the weapons are not great. I've talked with a few of them. It's not a great weapon considering there is half the server running around with much strong perm weapons (even though I understand they worked for it)

5. Like truffle is saying the z6 is a "hook". Every battalion has a hook. Rancor has their ARC. 501st has their main story and are the most known of any battalion within the Clone wars. 104th are known from the show because of wolffe and snow coon and heavily use vehicles. 21st has unique models and noticeable features. CG is the police force with their batons. 41st uses a lot of AT RT and have quite a few ARF along with yoda. 212th is the same thing as 501st with them being so well known from the show.

I've seen it too often lately where I watch our battalion trying and trying for hours and days to get a recruit and get someone who might tryout till they ask about if we had shields and z6's. Even though we tell them we have a HWS branch they can join I've personally witnessed them up and leave to join another more enticing battalion. Some of these CT's that did this I still see on the server so it's not like some of them were one and done. When I see this and find out people have done this to some of our troopers who are trying their hardest its very demoralizing to that extent.

Just remember when I say the z6 in its current state is a much weaker weapon compared to before the equalization update.

[Magician]

+1

[Castarius]

+1 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Castarius

[Castarius]

4 hours ago, Marvel said:

When you put a shit ton of em together they will then be OP

Can I have an example of this? Currently yet to see them:
A. Hit shit
B. Kill shit
C. Become the 3rd Death Star

Even when in mass use.

[Scribblenaught]

+1 It’s honestly not enough only having shields. If not Z6’s Look Into better shields that can have a side gun used as well.

[NootNoot]

2 hours ago, 40Ninjaman said:

Rancor has their ARC

Yea but like every battalion has an ARC Thou

 

2 hours ago, 40Ninjaman said:

The DU subunit has no shields to utilize we just don't have them and it's been brought up.

Isnt the whole point of havoc squad to be aggressive?

[Metro]

I'd also like to add that everyone else has been stripped of the thing that made their battalion special. You kept a Shield which inherently makes you more unique than any other battalion. Why do you deserve a Z6 on every class on top of keeping your battalion buff? This is ridiculous. I am sorry to say but if you are failing to pull numbers and blaming it on not having the Z6 you may need to rethink your recruiting strategy or consider that it is a niche battalion. If you want find a new shield but don't ask for TWO battalion buffs more than everyone else. lol....

Edited May 29, 2020 by Metro

[40Ninjaman]

1 minute ago, NootNoot said:

Yea but like every battalion has an ARC Thou

 

Isnt the whole point of havoc squad to be aggressive?

Honestly the point I was making was pointing out to the people are forgetting how weak the current Z6 is.  And Havoc squad specialized in Shock and awe tactics. But each battalion has a big hook to them.  

[traditional]

-1

[Boone1109]

+1  When I see the word shield in the comments being used for DU's specialization all I can hear is vision impairment, the shield don't event block hit boxes unless placed, the Z6s would maybe bring people to DU and DU really needs it RN, DU hasn't had but like 1 recruit all weak

Edited May 29, 2020 by Boone1109

[Mantis]

1 hour ago, Castarius said:

Can I have an example of this? Currently yet to see them:
A. Hit shit
B. Kill shit
C. Become the 3rd Death Star

Even when in mass use.

Wait what happened to the first two?

[Mantis]

If anyone is curious about the shield suggestion they made I did some digging and found it.

 

 

[Ecetera]

-1 Heavy branch for a reason, if you want a Z-6 and shield then join that

[Bro]

-1, battalions buffs were abolished and this is just you asking for it back. 

[Conrad]

+1, been missing those z6's on the front line since i've been back.

[Scarecrow]

-1 unless everyone is getting their battalion buffs back no and even then not every DU in the show had a Z6 

[Gears]

-1 Either Bonuses for all or for none, @Comics summed it up perfectly

[Bananaberry]

Suggestion voided

//locked
//moved to denied