Moving Interrogation Room to or Detention Level (Brig)

[Billsiff]

Name:

RANCOR ARC MEDL LTC Billsiff

Suggestion:

Moving Interrogation Room to the Detention Level. Medbay isn't made to house prisoners let alone a full on assault by enemy units. Since Medbay has been made into the designated "safe-space" it has been assaulted in multiple occasions just due to the prisoners we've held. Naturally if we hold an enemy prisoner the enemy would want them free, due to this I find myself defending Medbay to the death on many occasions. Moving Medbay to Detention Level Makes more than enough sense. We have multi-layered defenses and more locking doors to keep the enemy at bay while we interrogate  the prisoner or whatever. I've heard the excuse its in Medbay to heal the prisoner in case he is severely injured during interrogations... Detention level is right across the road and is it really that hard to control yourself from killing a prisoner. I feel this would also cut down on conflicts in the Medbay due to Med Rank vs Actual Rank. I'm tired of getting in a fight with people over it and people completely ignoring my orders. I mostly tend to treat the Interrogation part of Medbay as a completely separate entity, (even though its not since its in medbay) most of the time ignoring whats happening in there unless someone calls me to help heal a limb that one of the Interrogators took off. 

Love to hear other opinions on this even if you think I'm wrong I think I'm right.

(Also if anyone feels targeted by this I don't mean to it just causes a lot of chaos in Medbay.)

Implementation:

Just move the room and props.

Lore:

How does it make sense to endanger the lives of people we are trying to save in Medbay just for one prisoner. The security in our Detention level is so much better and would protect the prisoner and the troopers guarding the prisoner safer than the single door Medbay.

Workshop content if applicable:

N/A
 

[Bbstine]

If the CG are willing to give up their small ass room for their private debriefs I think it would be a lot better for housing prisoners seeing as their would then be 3 layers of protections with the 2 shields and then the cell itself w/ the troopers.

 

+1 But as long as it is that.

[Blueberry Juice]

Fat +1 I'm so tired of being blown off even though I'm a medic. In the Medbay. Plus, if IR is moved then we can make that vacant room into a lab. It's perfect!

Edited January 9, 2019 by Blueberry Juice

[Ragen]

-1 we had it in the brig to start with but rc wanted it in the medbay 

[UneJamMut]

I'm not giving up security brief but if we can have a little room added for interrogation ill be fine with it there's plenty of space behind the wall.

[Bazoo]

Should you ask SOBDE before changing it since we are in charge of it ?

Also -1 The brig one was too small, this is why it was moved to medbay. I dont see any issues with it since the only time we use it its when there is nothing in quarentine. There is really no reason to move it.

EDIT: Also event job shouldnt even know where we hold there prisoner. It's meta gaming, people that raid the base dont know the inside so thats more of a event job problem if they keep raiding medbay

Edited January 9, 2019 by Bazoo

[Korm]

We (SOBDE) Originally planned on having our own Interrogation chamber, but it didn't really work out. There is no -real- place for the Interrogation room at the moment. Shock will lose a room, Yes it causes chaos in medbay but yeah. I'm gonna -1 for now. Maybe we can get the mapper to make an interrogation room.

[UneJamMut]

I think adding a room to brig or sobde hq for interrogations would be the best bet honestly

[OneNiner6719]

+1 moving it to brig would add so many layers of defense. They'd have to disable 2 (OR MORE depending on where it is) ray shields through RP, which would offer a great defensive option, and would make assaults on this area more interesting.

[Shakes.]

No Shock briefing room for you that is ours.

But really I would just say have a room added like Une said. Your time would be better spend on a request to add a room to the map.

Edited January 9, 2019 by Shakes.

[Scarecrow]

Don't you have to ask CG and Sobde before posting something like this

[Life-]

-1 unnecessary also didnt speak to SOBDE nor CG.

[Nade Jones]

I agree but this isn't your suggestion to make. Consult SOBDE its their department. ( and of course Shock if  they don't mind )

[Pythin]

Okay bois so let’s get this gone and gonner. You guys have a room in the back of the brig that no one spawns in and is big enough to have a IR in it. So if you guys could build one there then yes I +1, but I also -1 This for removing it from the Medbay. It’s okay in medbay because it’s out of the way, and won’t be annoyed by the dumbasses who get arrested. When I was doing IR training in Brig. The people and the ST wouldn’t stop talking and when i said to keep it down they just said. No, this is our area. So, if we can have them in both areas I agree, but no to just keeping it in brig, and removing it from Medbay

[Daytona211]

+1 
Why was is put in the medbay, to begin with?
That's like putting the Alpha ARC training room on a stand in the briefing room, it makes no sense.

like It makes events a cluster fuck in the medbay and I can't count the number of times I've had either a medic or a commando tell me to "Fuck off" because I wanted to step into the back of the medbay. To end toxicity this would be a welcomed change.

 

[Turbine]

-1 I agree with korm and bazoo and ratio, can we just get an IR and a small holding cell in SOBDE HQ

Edited January 9, 2019 by Turbine

[Tyzen]

the last time we had IR in brig it didn't go so well at all -1

[Stix]

-1 no thanks I'd rather not

[Naffen]

-1 big no

 

[Stockings]

+1

[Poe]

Neutral

I get told to fuck off either way, wether it be ST, SOBDE, or MED.  Nothing against those groups but it only affects them so I could really care less. It's not going to be perfect no matter where it's placed. Because event jobs will always meta game it, and people will restrict access to it no matter what.

[Blueberry Juice]

What if we put it somewhere in the BCC? When Base Ops is reimplemented the RP aspect of SOBDE and Base Ops will be less of a game of telephone and will possibly cause less conflict. Shock will gaurd the entrance and permission will be granted to people. It would be less of a cluster fuck and you wouldn't be hearing 30 people all screaming to be let inside. Plus, it would give Base Ops a more inclusive role in interrogation, considering they need to hear the information that the prisoner would give up. Just my suggestion, less cluster fucks for DL and Medbay and makes more sense than the Medbay (plus cutting off limbs of a prisoner is both illegal and highly counter productive).

[Jags]

+1. Why would it be in the medical bay? Having the interrogation in the medbay is the reason why it's cluttered with cancer.

[Nade Jones]

5 hours ago, Turbine said:

-1 I agree with korm and bazoo and ratio, can we just get an IR and a small holding cell in SOBDE HQ

Oh so now yall want it in sobde headquarters but when the map first game out yall wanted a kitchen for our fucking sandwich making Jedi sluts

[UneJamMut]

I just realized we literally have empty rooms in the high command offices area for a temp solution at the very least

[Scarecrow]

Well it's fine in the med bay for now

[Bazoo]

AS well as back when I was in my first time in SOBDE, it was in BRIG and like Tyzen said, it was really bad. Minges was all over the places. Most of the time ST had RP going on in brig too with the senators and stuff like that going on at the same time. It was really confusing and too loud with too many people talkin

[Scarecrow]

2 minutes ago, Bazoo said:

AS well as back when I was in my first time in SOBDE, it was in BRIG and like Tyzen said, it was really bad. Minges was all over the places. Most of the time ST had RP going on in brig too with the senators and stuff like that going on at the same time. It was really confusing and too loud with too many people talkin

Oh yeah I remember all those screaming matches over priority dealing with those who are arrested bailed possibly tresspassing and yeah just was a mess

[Merrill]

+1 Support

First Reason: Defense. Shock are used to defending the brig from mingy CTs, and prisoners are often brought by there for detainment anyways. This would both give Shock more to do, and logically makes lore sense. If moved to SOBDE Bunks... Its SOBDE. That's all that needs explained.

Second Reason: Convenience. Since Shock/SOBDE respawns there, it means even in the event of attack, Shock/SOBDE can very quickly report to defend again.

 

8 hours ago, Nade Jones said:

I agree but this isn't your suggestion to make. Consult SOBDE its their department. ( and of course Shock if  they don't mind )

If ICU was in SOBDE Bunks for some god awful reason, it wouldn't be Medic's call to move it because they are the ones to use it, it would be SOBDE's because it is in their space. The flip side can be said for IR in Medbay. It is the Medical team's call first, because it is their space.
 

11 hours ago, Shakes. said:

No Shock briefing room for you that is ours.

But really I would just say have a room added like Une said. Your time would be better spend on a request to add a room to the map.

First off, that is very selfish of you, considering Shock is the only battalion (save for maybe SOBDE, IDK cause I have never seen their bunks) to have massive spaces and defenses like the Detention Level.

Secondly, adding a room in the map is far more difficult than simply moving some props and a textscreen onto a pre-existing room, and may even cause more optimization issues if a new room is added.

 

21 hours ago, Bazoo said:

Also -1 The brig one was too small, this is why it was moved to medbay. I dont see any issues with it since the only time we use it its when there is nothing in quarentine. There is really no reason to move it.

Considering that the larger cells in the brig are larger than the cell in Medbay used for IR (and the smaller cells are very close), there is no reason that the brig one would be "too small". To further that point, there is only ever a need for space for two individuals inside the IR: the prisoner and the interrogator. If anything, a smaller space could be used as a "enclosement" tactic, leaving the prisoner feeling confined and trapped.

[Bazoo]

11 minutes ago, Merrill said:

+1 Support

First Reason: Defense. Shock are used to defending the brig from mingy CTs, and prisoners are often brought by there for detainment anyways. This would both give Shock more to do, and logically makes lore sense. If moved to SOBDE Bunks... Its SOBDE. That's all that needs explained.

Second Reason: Convenience. Since Shock/SOBDE respawns there, it means even in the event of attack, Shock/SOBDE can very quickly report to defend again.

 

If ICU was in SOBDE Bunks for some god awful reason, it wouldn't be Medic's call to move it because they are the ones to use it, it would be SOBDE's because it is in their space. The flip side can be said for IR in Medbay. It is the Medical team's call first, because it is their space.
 

First off, that is very selfish of you, considering Shock is the only battalion (save for maybe SOBDE, IDK cause I have never seen their bunks) to have massive spaces and defenses like the Detention Level.

Secondly, adding a room in the map is far more difficult than simply moving some props and a textscreen onto a pre-existing room, and may even cause more optimization issues if a new room is added.

 

Considering that the larger cells in the brig are larger than the cell in Medbay used for IR (and the smaller cells are very close), there is no reason that the brig one would be "too small". To further that point, there is only ever a need for space for two individuals inside the IR: the prisoner and the interrogator. If anything, a smaller space could be used as a "enclosement" tactic, leaving the prisoner feeling confined and trapped.

If you want, I will make you a tour of SOBDE bunks, there is no room big enough for an interrogation, also our bunks doesnt lock down like medbay does so its just overall worst.

Edit: Even the medbay one is too small but we deal with it because at least you can lock it down. the best way to fix it is really to add a new room that could lock down in our bunks, but its too much work for no reason. Medbay is just fine. Because if we are not on other people can do IR. Wich they couldnt if it was in our bunks.

Edited January 9, 2019 by Bazoo

[Blueberry Juice]

There's a lot of places we could put it, BCC, DL, One of the high command rooms, somewhere like those places. The problem is that it gets way too clustered in Medbay during interrogation, everyone gets pissed off, and it just doesn't make sense to have interrogation in a medical facility. There are portable medical machines and SOBDE can simply request a medic if they need it. On top of that there is a lot of discrepancies and lack of command in the Medbay during interrogation; medics yell to get in, SOBDE yells to get in, everybody yells to get in and the doorman is like "holy shit who the fuck do I let in". Too many people in one space (meds, SOBDE, battalion leads, base Ops when they were here, etc.) It turns into a large cluster fuck, taking it away from Medbay would not only mitigate that, it turns it into a less stressful and fucked up situation.

[SGT Shrike]

I support it 

it has many posatives

[Twelves]

+1

[Qal]

I have to Agree. interrogation room SHOULD BE IN THE DETENTION LEVEL.
However, There is no room for it currently. I the next Map Update? Add an Interrogation Room in the Detention Level ?

+1 however it must be in a different room.

[Ratio]

If this is going to be added to the DL, we're gong to have to severely limit the people who come in.  When we were on extensive, it was absolutely cancerous; especially with doors that could insta-kill people. We don't have that now, but the voice chat being cluttered is very annoying, especially with CT PVT BenShapiro who got arrested for screaming the N word sitting in the cell while we interrogate Cad Bane for the 50th time trying to talk about his arrest being false.

We should probably work out a "first come, first serve" idea. Like maybe not have every Commando, Null, Senator, HC, and Jedi Shadow trying to get in the same cell.

[Bazoo]

void that lol

Edited January 11, 2019 by Bazoo

[A-a-ron]

+1 it just makes more sense

[Prince]

On 1/9/2019 at 7:08 PM, Ratio said:

If this is going to be added to the DL, we're gong to have to severely limit the people who come in.  When we were on extensive, it was absolutely cancerous; especially with doors that could insta-kill people. We don't have that now, but the voice chat being cluttered is very annoying, especially with CT PVT BenShapiro who got arrested for screaming the N word sitting in the cell while we interrogate Cad Bane for the 50th time trying to talk about his arrest being false.

We should probably work out a "first come, first serve" idea. Like maybe not have every Commando, Null, Senator, HC, and Jedi Shadow trying to get in the same cell.

Nope. -1. Not fucking doing this cancer again. Fuck that. We are not gonna be regulated, limited, or controlled by Shock-At-Fucking-All.

[Heart]

As it stands, IR in med bay is alright. Not the best, but it definitely is the best we can get. Interrogation should be no more than two to three people at once. There's a multitude of reasons why it shouldn't be in detention level, mainly due to actual player arrests taking place during events and possibly interfering with the RP.

It was there before, and it was not good as many people have already said.

 It's all about who you let in. Since Brig has that rank requirement, it would obviously be less hectic, but who says you can't restrict entry to med bay? It locks down for a few reasons.

The people who are in charge of IR aren't in favor of it, no need to force it upon them.

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