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HOW TO POST A BAN APPEAL:
My RP Name: Jedi Master LK Varcko
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:45999481
I AM RE-POSTING THIS DUE TO REASONS BELOW.

RP Name: 212th Specialist Cam
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:80924642
Date of Ban: 1/21/2018

Length of Ban: 5 Days
Offense: "Cam | Racist Disconnect message. Please change it before returning"
Banned By: Unknown
Why should we unban you/shorten the ban period?: Now, I know that my disconnect message contained the word nigga in it and I know how its a big no no word but here's the thing: I'm black. I don't understand as to why I can't say a word that other people of my race use. It's not even a racist word. People of my race call eachother the word so I mean, its not that racist. Besides, how many of y'all are actually black besides a few?

So why me of all people who is putting this up:
1. It takes a literal poke and possible small talk to get him to change it, not that hard.
2. Forseen, your fucking forums thing literally says "Mega Coon" Picture here.
3, Here is the definition of Coon.
5. You are also posting that on a PUBLIC FORUMS where your name is a different shade and actually sticks out to the naked eye.
6. Who actually looks at Global Chat 24/7??!!?
7. This ban was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY and should be lifted.

Evidence to support my claim: Go look at his actual ban appeal here.
 

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1 hour ago, Medic said:

So why me of all people who is putting this up:
1. It takes a literal poke and possible small talk to get him to change it, not that hard.
2. Forseen, your fucking forums thing literally says "Mega Coon" Picture here.
3, Here is the definition of Coon.
5. You are also posting that on a PUBLIC FORUMS where your name is a different shade and actually sticks out to the naked eye.
6. Who actually looks at Global Chat 24/7??!!?
7. This ban was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY and should be lifted.

1. Cam has been around since the start of Synergy and was on Icefuse, he already knows this is not acceptable.
2. I didn't put that as my title, @Jek did and I physically cannot change it.
3. As stated in point no. 2
4. You forgot 4.
5. As stated in point no. 2
6. It shouldn't be there in the first place.
7. Racism is against the rules no matter the form. 

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2 minutes ago, Forseen said:

1. Cam has been around since the start of Synergy and was on Icefuse, he already knows this is not acceptable.
2. I didn't put that as my title, @Jek did and I physically cannot change it.
3. As stated in point no. 2
4. You forgot 4.
5. As stated in point no. 2
6. It shouldn't be there in the first place.
7. Racism is against the rules no matter the form. 

but it doesnt apply to the owners?

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Just now, Forseen said:

What would you like me to do about the owners? They own the community, not me.

Then wouldn't you tell them to change it. "7. Racism is against the rules no matter the form." So you should get banned yourself?

Also, this just takes a quick poke for him to change it. Not rocket science.

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This isn't even me putting it up here because i know him, I actually don't. Might have talked to him 3 maybe 4 times?

I'm just saying, the proper way to do this is to just talk to him. If he denied it, then maybe action might have been taken. 

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Just now, Medic said:

Then wouldn't you tell them to change it. "7. Racism is against the rules no matter the form." So you should get banned yourself?

Also, this just takes a quick poke for him to change it. Not rocket science.

I asked, doesn't mean it happens. You know very well Medic, how the higher echelon of the community works.

For someone that has been around with the same rule set for roughly 10+ months, they shouldn't have to be poked about it.

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Just now, Forseen said:

I asked, doesn't mean it happens. You know very well Medic, how the higher echelon of the community works.

For someone that has been around with the same rule set for roughly 10+ months, they shouldn't have to be poked about it.

But you NOW do something? Wouldn't you actually talk to him in an actual channel? 

I know the rules but I would still be reasonable. Pull them and just say, "Hey, a while ago I asked you to removed your ts disconnect message but you didn't. You know racism isn't tolerated it here and we'd appreciate it if you'd change it. I prefer not take action over something this small but we all have to follow the rules."

It's the message that means more. You banning someone over a very tiny details shows how trigger happy people are(not saying you are).

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Just now, Forseen said:

Considering his forum name, before I changed it, he constantly does it. He knows better and shouldn't need to be told. There are rules and consequences for breaking said rules. It's how life works.

I was told I could have my forum name by sparks. 

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Fascinating.

I believe (especially here) that we live in a global society with two different kinds of *racism*

1. The kind of racism where you're actually meaning what you say and have true hateful feelings behind it. that's the kind that 99.99% of this community DOESNT have.

2. The kind where it's meant as banter and fun. We as humans have changed so much in the past 60 years in the terms of interracial relations that we can joke around with each other using the same words that use to be said with purely hateful intentions. Even though I believe a better rule of thumb to go by is there is only 1 race. The human race. We're all fuckin humans.

IMO letting words of humanities darker past dictate our future isn't the way to go.

If a dude comes on the server screaming weird and nasty shit then yeah ban them. but for stuff like this, no.

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10 minutes ago, Tristan said:

Fascinating.

I believe (especially here) that we live in a global society with two different kinds of *racism*

1. The kind of racism where you're actually meaning what you say and have true hateful feelings behind it. that's the kind that 99.99% of this community DOESNT have.

2. The kind where it's meant as banter and fun. We as humans have changed so much in the past 60 years in the terms of interracial relations that we can joke around with each other using the same words that use to be said with purely hateful intentions. Even though I believe a better rule of thumb to go by is there is only 1 race. The human race. We're all fuckin humans.

IMO letting words of humanities darker past dictate our future isn't the way to go.

If a dude comes on the server screaming weird and nasty shit then yeah ban them. but for stuff like this, no.

If you would not walk up to a group of large strangers of many diverse colors and backgrounds on the street and say it with the confidence that you will walk away from the conversation unscathed than it has no place in polite conversation and this is exactly that, a large group of strangers from many different walks of life and origins, I am not saying we should be SJW's and watch every little thing but racism and racist terms EVEN IN bastardized form have absolutely no place in out modern society.  PLAIN AND SIMPLE!  What is said between a small group of friends in private is one thing that is your prerogative, however is isn't a small group of friends, this is a community and should be treated as such.

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After reading through all of this my take on it is that it personally is that it isn't really racist. Although not very professional if it doesn't have a hard "er" then I don't see a huge problem. In-game is one thing but in TS I don't think it matters. I have seen friends of the Founders with the "er" version in their name and the founders don't mind as much since it's TS, that's not me saying it's okay to have that but without a hard "er" I don't see a huge deal in TS. Kind of like Sparks said there is no real problem with it and Sparks himself even said he could keep it in his name. This isn't me saying he should be unbanned or not but I don't think bans like this should be given out for things like disconnect messages on TS. Also I hear people say it with an "a" at the end all the time in TS even in open channels and no one is ever bothered by it. It's honestly just how the internet is. But again in-game I agree it should not be allowed in chat even with an "a" but I think TS should be relaxed on it a bit and if it's a problem then bring it up with the person. Just my opinion on it so not everyone will agree. I just feel like in the time we are in now the internet is a wild beast and this type of stuff is going to go around until it's irrelevant which may be never for all we know.

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*clearsthroat* ok here’s the input of the most down voted person on the forums :)

ok so 1:yeah cams name was a bit racist and people could be offended. However I do think a poke or pm in ts would have been just as good. Now is it ok to use such language? No it’s not. However we allow every other swear known to man (or at least me) and as long as he isn’t referring to others with such language I think it’s fine. And also foreseen I love ya dude but don’t u think if anyone cared this would have been a issue already or cam would already have been forced to change his name?

 

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if Cam wasn't warned for having it (which he's had it for 6 months, I definitely remember him having it WAY back wheN) then just unban him and make him change it, pretty easy thing that could avoid all of this outrage.

I think it's pretty fucked to use it (and I just have a terrible habit of saying it and being a huge hypocrite, but at least try and keep that shit in private).

 

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Billiam wouldn't have let Cam, his fucking subordinate that has intent to RP and continues to have intent to take this ban. Nobody was hurt. Nobody saw it and voiced a public complaint except who was banning Cam, and to Tomass point earlier, Cam is fucking black. If he walked up to them said "Ay, what is up my n******s, they most likely wont give a shit

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if 1. he is black and legit can say it if he pleases leave it alone if it offended you or if you feared it would offend others  a simple hey bud fix it  shit i have had my name as funny shit before  i get poked by a higher up "fix it" "gotcha". simplest thing you can do but oh a ban will fix it  ya...no  
2. Cam isn't the type of person to ignore rules. he honestly wasn't trying to offend anymore and really doesn't deserve to be under a ban just bc someone got butt hurt about something as small as that.
3. I BARELY LOOK AT GLOBAL unless you know a simple Joah saying he is gay or some shit.
finally, Its a stupid ass ban and he doesn't deserve it.  
You legit have 2 pages of people saying its bull and you still sit back and not end the ban  hell what you are doing is just letting it sit here and allowing all the members see it when 3/4th of us prolly didn't know what his disconnect shit was in the first place.  

#freeCamNewton oh my  i mean #FreeCam

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Imo this whole situation is kinda dumb. I'm not condoning it but to me at least it has the same impact if not less on people as calling them retards or autists. I'm now going to quote someone here, "either it's all ok, or none of it is ok."

 

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A joke is a joke, however it needs to stay off the game environment. Regardless, of all the times people give a shit about this thing is ironic.

Pathetic at best, if you're being a blatant racist on the server then expect a ban.

If you're just joking around with your buddies in ts and don't let it leech out then who the fuck cares.

 

I swear some of you get your g-string so far up your ass it's unbelievable.

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1.) Regardless if you're black or white the term Nigga or Nigger is considered racist. It doesn't matter what realm you live in. Say nigga to a 62-year-old churchgoer, or anyone who is African American and prepare to feel the wrath of Jesus. You think I'm kidding but the younger generation believes it's not racist even though it is. Stop saying it's not you're only contributing to the problem.

2.) The Staff are not here to police the founders for what they say, it is the staff's job to police what happens underneath. Now I know a lot of you will say "well set the example", I totally agree but we have Trump as a president now so go fuck yourself. :) [Incoming Shifting Argument Here]

3.) Walking up to people in public and flat out saying nigga, would give you a horrible wrap, you shouldn't publically have your goodbye message as something that could offend someone. Both Indox and I have spoken about this. As long as it stays in private confined areas or in a group of people rather than the entire community it is not an issue. However, if you're saying it in the game it will result in an instant ban regardless. 

4.) I believe the ban time is too long and should be reduced, Someone should've spoken to Cam, but cam doesn't act like you're fucking retarded, it's obvious that you shouldn't have that as a goodbye message. It's like you killed someone and said oops, I didn't know.

5.) I didn't notice the channels below and I appreciate you guys pointing those out, I have had a word with the channel owners and have deleted said channels. [Thank you again for pointing this out]

6.) The ban appeal was denied, if I see another post like this where someone goes over the head of a decision that's already been made rather than going and speaking to a Director, I will burn this fucking community to the fucking ground while I murder the person who did it.

7.) I did enjoy the meme's but the ban will be shortened to 2 days. End of story, Don't be blatantly racist in front of the entire community. If its just with staff / friends / out of the community / in a private Teamspeak channel. I don't give a shit. Don't publically act like you did nothing wrong when the whole fucking world can see it.

[Yes I do say nigga to my staff] [Because they're confined in a room and I give them a little laugh ;), for those of you who are about to get triggered -> Not the whole community]

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