k0j4k Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) Name: Kojak RP Rank: HVOL/SFC Suggestion: I have a couple of suggestions due to the fact as of now Heavy Ordnance (HVO) in Rancor serves no purpose since we don't have anything that makes us different from the rest of Rancor. HVO gets the same Clone Minigun that the ARFs get and as for the Republic Launcher, Jet Troopers have us covered. I have already implemented heavy EOD and ENG training in order to make HVO a more RP intensive sub-class. However, I would like to suggest that by adding the z6 and by changing the model from the current one to a modified standard ARC model the HVO would play a bigger role in the battalion as a whole. I tested both at medium and long ranges and while the Clone Minigun has more damage close up due to the spread, I believe that a fully trained heavy trooper should be able to handle be more accurate at longer distances which is why the z6 would be spectacular. I would also like to point out that all other heavy troopers in other battalions have the same set up so it wouldn't be unreasonable for me to ask the same. Implementation: Simply adding the z6 , and updating the model files to input the re-textured model. Lore: Heavy Ordnance in Rancor are not lore, which is why there is room for discussion about the model. Workshop content if applicable: (Edit) [SR] Model Pack #2 Old server addon you guys had I want to use models/lazarusgaming/lgarctrooper/lgarctrooper.mdl Me now being the new Heavy Lead I feel like it is paramount for the survival of the sub-class to have these changes implemented. Heavies have not traditionally been RP intensive but I wanted to do things differently in order to provide a whole new level of roleplay to an otherwise bland role. Thank you for taking the time to read my suggestion! Edited December 22, 2019 by k0j4k I did some digging and instead of having to recreate a model I decided to use one that was on the server previously if they allow. Link to comment
Brooklyn Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 +1 Kal Skirata Bacta Marvel Brooklyn I beat Jad in a spar first try. Link to comment
Daytona211 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 This is a +1 from me as long as you are balanced. For example you shouldn't need rocket launchers, minigun, Z-6 and other heavy weaponry which would be difficult to carry/ be balanced 1 Report former: cadet,private,private first class, specialist,Sergeant,Staff Sergeant,Sergeant First Class,Master Sergeant,First Sergeant,Sergeant Major,Command Sergeant Major,Warrant Officer, Sergeant Major of the battalion, 2nd Lieutenant,Lieutenant,Captain,Major,Lieutenant Colonel,Colonel,Commander,Executive Officer,Battalion Commander,Regimental Commander,Marshal Commander,501st,212th,DU,21st,CG,RANCOR,104th,SOBDE,Jedi,Naval,41st,Event Job,Gamehelper,Gamemaster,Gamemaster Officer, Gamemaster Manager, Gamemaster Director, New Admin, Admin, Senior Admin, Veteran Admin,Head Admin, Director,Managment, Founder, Retired Founder, forum mod, forum admin,forum dev,Yoda,Mace WIndu current: Versock Link to comment
k0j4k Posted December 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I agree, I would be fine with removing the clone minigun and just having the z6 Link to comment
Clutch Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 +1 Kaiser Zeros Clutch Link to comment
Hero Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 +1 but can you supply images of the model you want? Link to comment
k0j4k Posted December 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I actually decided to go for an old model we used to have to make it easier. Link to comment
Bud Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 +1 kojak is the man Link to comment
Scribbles Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) Man out of the time ive been on this server, Y'all fucking rancor want so many model changes. Got Damn. Also The Rancor heavy Ordnance in the past had the Z6 but it got removed for the Minigun, and then every ARC got the minigun, so its just one bgi roudnabout circle now. I feel this is a bit arbitrary for this post as everyone just says this when they want a new weapon/change to their job, when we all genuinely know they just want it for gameplay purposes, because i know for a fact that someone in some lead will just want to change their overseen "Subunit" in the future for the sake of "I want strong or big weapon" and then write a whole paragraph on how it pertains to RP. Just now, k0j4k said: I have already implemented heavy EOD and ENG training in order to make HVO a more RP intensive sub-class I know this may seem a little toxic or deemed rude, but this seems more of an internalized small group thing rather than whole server, since the majority of the server are EOD trained (some just dont bother to do it). And ENG Jobs usually walk into the ENG with their bigdick ENG energy anyway when stuff that needs that specialization happen, and when they dont show up, someone with a basic ENG training comes and either does it, or its left un-attended. Not saying im against this, but i feel that there's alot of extra stuff that i feel theres alot of stuff just added for the sake of better reasoning, which is the point of server suggestion i guess. ps. You forgot to add the weapon change/add part of the Server suggestion to your post. +1 Edited December 22, 2019 by Scribbles 1 1 1 Report Link to comment
k0j4k Posted December 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Im talking in terms of Rancor...as in when it comes to Rancor Encounters with EOD and ENG situations the heavies are prioritized. I get what you are saying though from what I have heard there are a lot of model changes. As for the Minigun I absolutely detest that ARFs get the minigun as well. I want extensive training done, I want specialization shit that actually makes sense which is another thing to talk about. As of now I just want to bring Heavy Ordnance to a known and respected position since there will be a limited amount of spots. 1 Report Link to comment
Scribbles Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, k0j4k said: I get what you are saying though from what I have heard there are a lot of model changes This is the 3rd weapon change for the Heavy, and 4th model change for the heavy job in specific. It first started out with the heavy looking like captain fucking america put on a clone outfit. Link to comment
k0j4k Posted December 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scribbles said: This is the 3rd weapon change for the Heavy, and 4th model change for the heavy job in specific. It first started out with the heavy looking like captain fucking america put on a clone outfit. I'll make sure its the last 👍🏻 2 Report Link to comment
Raids Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 +1 Get back to making those models too hoe Link to comment
Piff Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) In my opinion I don’t even know why Rancor still has heavies, their specialization can be done by other jobs in Rancor, Oh they have rockets, So does Jet Trooper, Oh they Have miniguns so does the rest of Rancor, oh they’re engineer trained so does basically most of Rancor, I see no purpose in them to be honest which why the job was going to be replaced, and a model change really isn’t needed to add onto the RP, the current model is fine because that’s literally what heavies looked like, https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Advanced_Recon_Commando_heavy_gunner the change to a Z6 is fine since at least you’ll have one thing to make you unique, else than that nothing else makes a Heavy in Rancor that unique -1 to Model +1 to Z6 (Also I just realized you said what I said already so yeah ) Edited December 22, 2019 by Felix “I’m not toxic, It’s just hard not to treat you like an idiot” ~ Logic Link to comment
Dax Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 you have no idea how hard i pushed for this during my time in RANCOR. absolutely +1. hope it happens. Link to comment
Egg Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 So, you say that having the clone minigun and rocket are what makes it doodoo, because the arfs having those already. Now, big brain time, what if you just nerf your basic trooper class? Most rancor jobs are already nutty, and that basic trooper is one of them. The arcs should get the minigun, but arfs should not, because it is just an arf. Keeping that rocket launcher is alright I guess, but the model change also seems very unnecessary. Rancor battalion jobs as a whole are actually so overpowered its gross, and I really don't think that this change is going to be a good way to improve the server as a whole, but instead just give rancor another op class. This one just has 2 mini guns and a rocket, instead of just 1 minigun. With these points, I am going to -1 this suggestion. Link to comment
Vex Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 To be honest, if you guys want the Heavy back, You gotta give up what you got in exchange for it being removed the first time. Also you guys already have plenty of jobs that can do any task needed. The need for a heavy does appear to be small. I see at least three jobs with chainguns, and not to mention the JT, all I can see coming from this is a Class with a Z6 and everything else, nerf the proposed job a bit then try with that as a suggestion. Makes no sense to let them by with both, Rancor is in dire need of balancing anyways, what with ARF's ARC's and the Alphas already. You guys have a lot more than most Battalions have even with their sub-units with Rancor alone, Add in Alpha and you guys have the bulk of strength on the server, Heavy Ordinance can't have both for this very reason. All of this taken into account, it's a -1 from me Bud. Link to comment
Sixta Posted December 23, 2019 Banned Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Vex said: To be honest, if you guys want the Heavy back, You gotta give up what you got in exchange for it being removed the first time. Also you guys already have plenty of jobs that can do any task needed. The need for a heavy does appear to be small. I see at least three jobs with chainguns, and not to mention the JT, all I can see coming from this is a Class with a Z6 and everything else, nerf the proposed job a bit then try with that as a suggestion. Makes no sense to let them by with both, Rancor is in dire need of balancing anyways, what with ARF's ARC's and the Alphas already. You guys have a lot more than most Battalions have even with their sub-units with Rancor alone, Add in Alpha and you guys have the bulk of strength on the server, Heavy Ordinance can't have both for this very reason. All of this taken into account, it's a -1 from me Bud. The rocket trooper class does not come with a Minigun. Link to comment
Dennis Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 21 hours ago, Scribbles said: And ENG Jobs usually walk into the ENG with their bigdick ENG energy +1 as long as it’s balanced cuz having both is kinda pointless you choose one or the other. Current: Kevin Colt leader of the Colt Crime Syndicate | Alpha-69 Dennis Former: BCMD Doom x3| Havoc Squad Brimstone x3 | Base Ops CMD | Delta Jedi | BCMD Colt | BCMD Bacara | Specialized Regimental Commander x2 | First Count Dooku and creator of the CIS | Rear Admiral Orson Krennic Link to comment
k0j4k Posted December 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Egg said: This one just has 2 mini guns and a rocket, instead of just 1 minigun. My guy, I want the z6 instead of the Clone Mini gun. Also I have been wondering what exactly makes something OP, like in what context? Are you saying that a highly trained and specialized battalion is OP because of the weapons? That dont add up chief. IMO 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: Also whats up man I havent seen you in a while Egg. Miss you bb Edited December 23, 2019 by k0j4k Link to comment
Sanchez Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 @Tinovious Dont mind that kojack Ok now for some actual balance changes. To truly make Heavy ordinance useful you're going to have to nerf some classes in rancor. Highly specialized battalions literally applies to almost every battalion. In a perfect world rancor would be an arf battalion with actual specialized weaponry instead of just handing a chain gun and westar to everyone and their mother. HVO will not suddenly be more appealing because of giving them a z-6 . Every battalion has different struggles and strategies but, ultimately it's up to those in the regiment/battalion to pull people into it. With the current state of rancors laughable balance if you can even call it balence is going to suppress things like HVO and I dont think giving them more and stronger weapons is going to fix it. What will end up happening is other rancor members will complain and the scaling for rancors weapons will become even more unbalanced as time goes on -1 Apologies for grammatical errors I am on my phone atm Link to comment
Tinovious Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 AAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, No -1. Rancor need to be nerfed. Some dude that's been in SO BDE more times than he can count. Link to comment
Alexz Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 -1 I do not think this is needed considering how many changes go through you guys and you guys are still never content with it. This is not something needed right now. Link to comment
NootNoot Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 -1 Nerf rancor for god sake So Basically ANIME Link to comment
Sanchez Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 @k0j4k Question did you get permission for rancor bcmd to post this? Link to comment
Dubz Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 11:03 AM, k0j4k said: Name: Kojak RP Rank: HVOL/SFC Suggestion: I have a couple of suggestions due to the fact as of now Heavy Ordnance (HVO) in Rancor serves no purpose since we don't have anything that makes us different from the rest of Rancor. HVO gets the same Clone Minigun that the ARFs get and as for the Republic Launcher, Jet Troopers have us covered. I have already implemented heavy EOD and ENG training in order to make HVO a more RP intensive sub-class. However, I would like to suggest that by adding the z6 and by changing the model from the current one to a modified standard ARC model the HVO would play a bigger role in the battalion as a whole. I tested both at medium and long ranges and while the Clone Minigun has more damage close up due to the spread, I believe that a fully trained heavy trooper should be able to handle be more accurate at longer distances which is why the z6 would be spectacular. I would also like to point out that all other heavy troopers in other battalions have the same set up so it wouldn't be unreasonable for me to ask the same. Implementation: Simply adding the z6 , and updating the model files to input the re-textured model. Lore: Heavy Ordnance in Rancor are not lore, which is why there is room for discussion about the model. Workshop content if applicable: (Edit) [SR] Model Pack #2 Old server addon you guys had I want to use models/lazarusgaming/lgarctrooper/lgarctrooper.mdl Me now being the new Heavy Lead I feel like it is paramount for the survival of the sub-class to have these changes implemented. Heavies have not traditionally been RP intensive but I wanted to do things differently in order to provide a whole new level of roleplay to an otherwise bland role. Thank you for taking the time to read my suggestion! +1 As a former HVOL, I wish you the best. I had hoped to revamp it, and have it work as a Vehicle Aspect to Rancor. While it might not be Lore friendly, not everything needs to be, especially an aspect of Rancor that isn't even a part of Lore. At this point, Rancor has become the Boomer Battalion, a lot of it's members are people who either have a lot of experience with SWRP, or want to. This is why, when people say that we need to be Nerfed, it can be frustrating, because the people in Rancor have worked hard to get where they are, and get further. As for the complaints about a Model Change, the people who are complaining about a HVO Model Change, haven't seen the HVO Model for Rancor. The Model doesn't even look like it's Phase 1, it looks like Phase 1 Armor, is a Decedent of HVO Armor. I'm not sure if the Model is from an Older Era of SWRP, but it looks like we got Scammed by a bunch of Jawa's. As for the More RP Focused aspect of it, I'm intrigued. HVO is extremely Gameplay focused where it is currently. Currently, ENG is one of the few certs we either, don't have an In for [This is from Old, likely Outdated knowledge, so take with a grain of salt], and it's a Gateway Cert. Congrats on HVOL, personally, HVO has left a pretty bad taste in my Mouth, so while I likely wont be able to see the changes firsthand, it's good to see HVO Changes. Also, to the person who asked, we've been trying to get HVO fixed, since Merril was Blitz, one of the Commanders [Oddshot] was trying to revamp HVO with me, Sixta has already +1'd, and Havoc, I haven't meant personally. Link to comment
k0j4k Posted December 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Sanchez Resident said: @k0j4k Question did you get permission for rancor bcmd to post this? Yea Link to comment
Porch Posted December 26, 2019 Report Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 11:32 AM, Scribbles said: Got Damn God doesn't need a dam, he can walk on water! 😉 And yes, you need something to differentiate you apart from others in Rancor. +1 ~Porch Link to comment
Nomad Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 +1 to update the class and model change I don't see why people think Rancor needs to be nerfed it's a battalion of ARC's how would you nerf it Link to comment
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