Leaderboard

First of all I don’t even have my ARC trainings so none of this really affects me at all but it kind of seems like a lot of training. 1. How the fuck are you gonna fit all of these training into peoples schedules, you are going to need a lot of people hosting. 2. Did you think about just having people pass a simple recertification test/tryout once a month to maintain their arc status?

-1 This suggestion was not the one that was brought up to the community, but this is just overall not a good idea. First off you said in the suggestion that "At no way is this a wipe", then proceed in the next line to say anyone who is ARC already has to redo the ARC trainings. The Original Idea Brought to us by Rancor HC: 1 - Take the main components of Leadership and merge leadership with W&T. Then during the weapons and tactics training, the people doing the trainings would go to a planet and do a SIM/Training with the knowledge and skills they learned from W&T. 2- Selections changes: - The current process of how selecitons goes is that if one person dies the whole team fails. The change they wanted to make was instead of everyone failing right as someone dies, they were going to change it to a point system. I.E. A team starts off with 5 points, if someone who is not good with PvE dies right off the start of the SIM. Then instead of them failing a point would be taken off their final score at the end of the SIM/Training. You lied to this community of what changes you wanted to make to the ARC program.

This is a very serious suggestion that we wish to make and hope that you, as the reader and community member, really read this before voting. That is all we ask. Disclaimer: When I say "We", this means Rancor High Command. Claw, Satan, Noodles, and myself. The topic I would like to bring to you today is about ARC Training and how it is being changed in the future. I will go through and explain how it is changing, and what possibilities can happen as a result of this change. Again, I really do hope you read this in it's entirety, as we are trying to make the ARC Program better as a whole, and not just trying to ruffle feathers for the sake of it. With that being said, thank you and let's begin. Name: Brooklyn RP Rank: XO Suggestion: We want to change ARC Trainings from what it currently is, a 3 staged tryout, to a 6 staged training that teaches and improves on the people who attend. I will explain this in detail. ARC Training Changes: To start, ARC Trainings as it stands right now is basically a tryout that upon passing gives you a permanent fallback on one of the best whitelists on the server. While the fallback itself wouldn't change, we want to change what the ARC Program is and move away from this tryout that don't really teach you things outside of the trainings itself. Weapons and Tactics is our only informational training that teaches you anything, with Selections and Leadership only being SIM's that are pass or fail with no incentive. We want to change ARC Training, or better said, ARC Tryouts, to be what it always should've been: A Program designed to better a players skills and ability, while teaching, mentoring, and improving on oneself without the limitations of no knowledge. This being said, I will give you a brief rundown as how this would work, without spoiling the contents of what the new trainings would consist of. You can only do 1 Day in a single day. Example: Day 1 - Monday / Day 2 - Tuesday / and so on and so forth. These do not have to be back to back days, you can go at your own pace. Selections will still be around to get people into the Program. Upon passing you will be granted ARCT. The ARCT Program will be talked about down below. Day 1 & 2 of this new program will consist of learning days. Day 1 being informational, and Day 2 being Basic Skill Training. These days are not failable, and instead is a time where you do it until you understand it. Day 1 takes around 20 minutes Day 2 takes around 1 hour Day 3 is your first knowledge and skills test. We will run you through a SIM that encompasses what you learned on Day 1 & 2. This Day is failable, however, instead of being stuck at this point, whatever you failed on, you will go back to. For example, if you failed on Day 1 Concepts, you will go back to Day 1, relearn what you might need, and then you can reattempt Day 3. Upon passing, you will move on. A concept we really want people to understand is we want to know you are listening, learning, and improving on what we are teaching you. This isn't to punish or make you do the same thing over and over, but again we want you to improve and get better as a player and as a future member of the ARC Program. Day 3 takes around 1 hour Day 4 & 5 are the same type of days as Day 1 & 2. These are not failable days that will obviously will have different concepts than the first 2 Days. Day 4 takes around 20 minutes Day 5 takes around 30 minutes Day 6 is your graduation Day. This Day is failable, but is also your final step to becoming a fully trained ARC Trooper. This training will encompass everything you learned from days 1-5. Upon passing, you will no longer be and ARCT. Again, this being a failable day, you would have to retake the course that you failed on for grading before you can retake Day 6. Day 6 takes about 1 hour and 30 minutes ARC Trainee (ARCT) Program: The ARCT Program was a concept that Rancor utilized a lot in 2017 - 2020, but has since then been phased out for not being needed. However, we intend to make this have purpose again. Let's get into what this ARCT Program will be. Obtained after Passing Selections The biggest change to the ARCT Program is this: Once you become an ARCT, you will have access to the ARC Whitelist right away. Upon passing Selections, you will have a 2 week time period to complete your ARC Trainings before losing access to the whitelist. (Please note this does not mean you have to restart your Trainings. This just means you get a free trial to be on ARC while you go through your Training Period.) When running around on the ARC whitelist as an ARCT. You must have ARCT in your name instead of ARC. While a ARCT you may not become a ARC Lore Character, attend Alpha Designations, or hold ARC Leadership in a battalion ARC Recertification: I know, I know, but bare with me here for a minute. This is not a Wipe. Again, I ask you read in full what this entails before making your judgement. This is how the ARC Recert will work: All ARC Trained individuals will have to go through the 6 Training Days to keep their ARC Training Current ARC Trained individuals will not have to retake Selections. Instead, they will start on Day 1. Unlike new ARCTs, ARCs who require recertification can run through as many days as needed in 1 day. For Example, I can complete Day 1-3 at one time. Upon completing Day 1. A 30 Day timer will begin. Should you not complete the 6 Trainings in that 30 Days, your trainings will be stripped. Failing Day 3 or Day 6 will not get your trainings removed. All you will have to do is redo what you failed on, and try again. Again, you can do as many in 1 Day at a time. These 30 Days do not start at the same time for everyone. They only start when you complete your Day 1. During this time period, you will not lose a lore character, ARCO/L Positions, or Alpha Designation. You will keep them until you pass Day 6 as long as the 30 Days does not expire. You can ask for time extensions. We know Real Life is a thing. If you cannot do this in the 2 weeks, you can contact Rancor Command for an extension. Rancor will actively pursue current ARC Slot Personnel, Lore Characters, and Alpha Designated Personnel as you will need it first to maintain your position. The only way to not pass is to be lazy or push it off. I'll be honest about that. This looks like a lot, but I will put your mind at ease. Reread the ARC Training Changes Section and look at the time it takes for each training. These are maximum times only, so they can take less time. Implementation: ARC Training Changes: These changes will be happening with ARC Regardless, the reason I wrote it all out is so you, as a community, can understand where we are coming from when we are literally revamping all of the ARC Program. This is not the voting topic. However we will look at any feedback you all give. ARC Trainee (ARCT) Program: Again, not the voting topic, but we will look into any feedback given on the topic. ARC Recertification: This is the voting topic. I know people who have been effected by an ARC Recert in the past most likely still has grudges against it, but I hope you read and understand why we want to make a change this big. That will be all. Thank you for reading and giving this idea a chance.

Do people not understand that if you change a training completely, you HAVE to wipe the training. You can’t just keep arc because you did it a year ago when that won’t even be the same training that it will be changed to, once rancor implements the new training. When any training is changed it gets wiped or you have to go to a new training to understand the differences or changes occurred, you guys want to have your cake and eat it too but that’s not possible. The way Brooklyn wants to do it is, you have to attend every new section of the training that wasn’t previously there, which is the 6 days of training since the selections probably won’t change in any significant way.

Continuing from what I said earlier my most disagreement is that I just want it to be done differently than how it’s presented. From reading all the feedback listening to what people think I really do understand why people are +1ing the suggestion and why people are -1ing. ARC Changes: The suggestion explains its being changes from a tryout to a training which you cannot fail. (This change is fine itself that a lot of players were failing in the original because of another teammates failure or incompetence) Next you guys go on to explain that it’s going to be 6 different things. (Days 1&4 Informational. Days 2&5 are basic skills trainings. Days 3&6 are tests) The disagreements I see with the process is whether or not the guarantee to get the trainings/Appropriate scheduling with the player base. People are worried that now that they’re are 6 trainings they won’t be able to make one or schedule it appropriately. The way you guys have counteracted this possibility is the return of ARCT where someone can do this over a long time period. The reason why I personally don’t like this is the limited time I have to play nowadays I have to worry about work, family/girlfriend, classes, outside events. I know I’ll be able to get this over a longer time frame but I’d rather complete the entire things in one whole day. I think the process will just over complicate things and the whole process of becoming an ARC trooper. In my opinion I don’t think this will really improve quality that dramatically if anything it will just teach people something new that won’t be used. Recertifications: You guys explain the recertification is not a wipe but all previous ARC troopers have to restart the process from day one. I don’t agree with this and I think you guys should keep the same process you have seeing what knowledge the person knows or not and having the person have to redo the topics they don’t know. Keep it the same for this process and have people redo any known topics they are unfamiliar with.

^^ Biggest point made today -1 tho. I love that ARC is being redone again and this time there looks like theres an actual change to it BUT im not tryna go through 6 more trainings to be recertificated and basically keep my sub-unit alive that thrives on having ARC in the first place. If anything recertification's should be something completely separate for current ARCs to go to and learn the new material instead of completely wiping it for said person to have to do everything over again Also with the new trainings, the current times they are hosted definitely needs to be changed/hosted more often (idk if you went over that or not) for the EU/overseas players going to ARC trainings at 12 am

-1 i agree with Ratio and Comics

-1 not really worth the hassle tbh, took me like 2 years to get ARC in the first place being an EU andy this shit seems like a drag. I also thought there were issues with the 3 ARC trainings we already have being hosted consistently. However with the changes I'd be more than happy to attend the new trainings optionally at my own pace rather than in the small amount of time 30 days is.

I'm 100% behind this change. For a long time ARC trainings have been in an awkward between place of being both 'elite' and useless, and this overhaul will make ARC trainings actually prevalent again. Also because I know it's a hot topic, ARC probably should be wiped. The fact that the proposed changes give everyone a month long period from when they start (NOTE THIS IS NOT 30 DAYS FROM THE DAY THE CHANGE STARTS, BUT 30 DAYS FROM WHEN YOU WALK UP TO A RANCOR OFFICER AND SAY "I'd like to start the recert process") should be an indicator that Rancor HC doesn't want everyone to lose their trainings. This isn't a Dennis wipe, so stop acting like it is. Stop acting like wipes are the end of the world, because they aren't. If you really care about the ARC program, get the trainings again and stop being lazy. Stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. -If you think this is a pointless change, then who cares, it's not gonna affect you. -If you think this is bad because people have to redo their trainings, then welcome to Synergy. Trainings and certifications get wiped all the time, this isn't some new concept, and it isn't the end of the world. Also love the usual trend of oldheads coming out of the fucking woodworks to stop anything from changing. Really helps make the community grow and change for the better.

I may of not caught this in the string of messages within this thread, but I am quite confused. This is, what appears to be, a 2 part suggestion. In which both parts are things that Rancor HC can do without a suggestion? I think the biggest issue that the community faces when it comes to a change like this is simple, but there are no guarantees that a new ARC training system will work, as this training isn’t viewable to the public, yet effects all those who currently, or will eventually receive it. I’m not going to write out an MLA formatted document essay to say I don’t want my training wiped, cause I don’t. Call it selfish, or ignorant, or conservative, I honestly don’t care lmao. I encourage Rancor HC to make any and all changes to ARC as they want. At the end of the day, Synergy is built on backwards development. It seems like we don’t learn from previous changes / mistakes. I pray to Joah that this would be the final and everlasting, completely encompassing change… but I don’t believe that. good luck -1

+1 The main reason why ppl want ARC to be revamped is because of the lack of quality of the ppl who go through the program and have the certification already. The only way to improve ARC across the board is to force ppl to recertify with the new changes, it defeats the purpose of changing the ARC program. Gmod barely sees new players now anyways, this would give a lot of ppl on the server something to do as well, instead of just bhoping around base mindlessley. Now 6 days is a little bit much, thats like joining a big Arma unit but I think it can be done since ARC is an OPTIONAL program. ARC are supposed to be the best of the best in the battalions, if cpl joe shmoe can out maneuver an ARC trooper, shit aint right. Serious RP is non existent on this server, the ability to have a somewhat more serious thing here is amazing. If you dont want to see seriousness, dont join ARC. I can also say that as an Arma player, some of this training goes beyond gmod in a lot of ways. There are lots of opportunities to practice leadership and communication skills, trainings like this only build character and they are optional for those who dont give a damn.

I am quite happy with RANCORS response on how they would aid in making this a fluid system. Sometimes change can hurt, but it gives us something to do. +1

as a wise bacta once said "change is good" +1 */j* bacta is stupid but i do still +1 nonetheless, marvel is right.

I wanna re-phrase what i said, i talked with some people and I believe that ARC needs a fucking wipe. You can call it funny names sure, but everyone knows what reserts are, and im down for it. Most of the people who care about ARC and are experienced RP'ers and experienced PVP'ers can most likely work for their reserts. The difficulty of the training comes with the fact you may have to do it more than once. Not everyone is supposed to pass everything on the first try, the dedication it could take to become an ARC trooper is the same dedication that would shape them into an actual role-player. Thats what i see in the future and that's my belief. Which goes onto my next point, most of the people getting mass dumbed by an invisible hivemind are just trying to put out their opinions, all ARCL's and ARCO's in the server should 100% have an opinion on this matter and the fact that people think it makes sense to someones opinion is just plain. I understand most of the opinions may be... dumb, but as this is the ONE place all battalion ARC's can express their thoughts, I don't know why they can't do it without getting harassed. Still crazy to me that some people have superiority complexes and think their opinion is the only one, and the only right one. Still +1 though, a lot of you guys should have more faith in brooklyn

-1 Dennis moment

+1 to a new training system New trainings, yeah, that's cool and I can get behind that. -1 to the recert/essential wipe Not gonna lie to ya, seeing a BH main want to make a wipe/recertification for a clone job is mf yikes.