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Please state a single way this can be achieved because you're just making an unjustified claim. We are suggesting a solution to DU, what is your solution to DU since we cannot find another one? No one brought up dead lore characters lol not sure why you did tbh. Still doesn't go against my point DU is not interesting and has no lore to bounce off of. They're not fun to interact with because they have no character or personality. 212th and 501st are the most lore rich and character heavy battalions and quite Cleary have separate personalities most accentuated by their very different BCMDs. 501st is more rag tag with a unique and off the books approach which Rex and Anakin love to play into. Cody is too the books just like 212th, he's a hard ass but his battalion kicks ass and is deployed everywhere because of how damn good it is. Doom is not a person I don't think he even says anything in all of the CLone wars. DU carries that same distinct lack of any personality. DU doesn't have a special structure like 21st because it is a nothing battalion. You can't do whatever you want because then it's not even DU at that point. They are a nameless battalion with no reason to exist in the server. If we want unique groups we shouldn't be looking for the most bland and vanilla battalions to expand upon? How would you even expand upon DU because it is so much of nothing. Even it's sub unit was made up. You people keep saying there is another solution but I am not seeing it. We already know wipes and better leaders haven't worked. So what now? DU can't be turned into something better because it doesn't have anything to build off of. So please suggest any way to improve it

+1 - It's time to wake up to the reality that the DU's time has come. The artificial life trying to be pumped into it with 1-1 Transfers across the board is just a facade and will eventually fizzle out. DU has been in this state multiple times and it's a sign that its time to move on before resources are invested into redoing models, etc.

It feels as though members of this server are so incredibly short sighted some times. This removal could very well be any battalion, it's just awfully convenient that DU is in such a poor state that many consider them for removal. There are some legitimate reasons for their removal as explained by @Marveland @Comics. In some ways yes, they are fundamentally flawed. However, for those speaking solely off activity and recent times, I want you to consider this being your battalion. Rancor for weeks, just a few months ago, had around 7 active members, 501st has had some of the most fluctuating member count over the servers history, 21st had to be wiped at one point due to the sheer structural issues within it. Now this isn't a dig at these battalions, I am merely trying to put into context of this hive mindset of "REMOVE CUZ BAD", and how it is incredibly frustrating to those who have devoted time and resources to this battalion. I'll abstain from voting for now.

To add to what i said, the only reason anyone is joining dooms unit currently is the 1-1 rank transfer and an easy promotion, then they leave in a week, theres a constant cycle of it happening and until DU gets removed it will keep happening, its not the first instance of this happening and wont be the last unless its removed

-1 Lazy man's solution to a fixable issue. I don't need to say anymore

I think a lot of people are emotionally involved in the existence and creation of DU. A lot of people see this as a community they are a part of. It's hard to actually want to seriously consider the removal of so many hours of love, hard work, and true friendship. There are a lot of memories and amazing memories created by DU for members of said battalion. But it simply cannot be ignored, DU truly does not hold a place within the server. Now this isn't about the members, or anything to do with anyone who's ever joined the battalion. And I think a lot of people are trying to muddle the ideas of the people of DU and the actual battalion itself. Looking at the place and function of DU it just doesn't fit in at all. It's a shield battalion? But what sort of battalion would want to be locked to such a boring and slow role? The answer is no one because DU doesn't play a defensive role in the server. No one does, which is generally a larger issue of people being unwilling to play their role but that doesn't seem like an attitude that's easy to change. The solution to such an issue is definitely not making a battalion more suitable to said role because we all know players only want to go on the offence. The loss of the Z6 was 100% absolutely justified but it was also when DU lost pretty much their only good feature. They were the OP ass blasting batt that got a big fucking gun and shields making them the ultimate assault force because they were all heavies. But they are no longer this, their shield doesn't mesh well with any other class except heavy. How does an ARF trooper even make good use of a shield if they're constantly on the move? It simply just isn't a strong loadout. When you aren't playing defensive or using a Z6 it is simply not that useful. This is why DU was better before they lost their gun (deservedly) and why the DS trooper is actually pretty useful. People keep bringing in people and the drama of which DU seems to ooze like a wound that can't heal. People will claim a wipe or reset may solve this sort of issue. But 21st, & RANCOR did not make any gains from their wipes and ultimately became a husk of their former selves. SOBDE was fundamentally changed and lost the most toxic features but is still holds many characteristics it's "wipe" was supposed to resolve. Battalions simply cannot be wiped to change, they either are murdered in the process or sink into old habits with a new coat of paint. But we kept around these 3 stated battalions because the server would be a lot more complicated without them. 21st has a more uneasy position but it's undeniable the server would struggle without RANCOR or SOBDE. DU, sadly, does not hold any position like this. It is a shield battalion and it's not even very good at that because why would you want to be. It doesn't matter about the people, wiping it has never done anything to fix anything. 187th was popular, so was 91st, and 327th. Yet they were all ripped up and all parts removed. These battalions never worked in the server and we have seen them far too often fall into disarray and fail to keep up to their regimental brothers. None of them held a place and were simply 2nd place at all times to the better choice. 187th couldn't beat 2ndAC, 91st was always behind 41st, & 327th could never match either 501st or 212th. They served no purpose, they had no place. DU sits in the same place. Popular with the people but fundamentally flawed. The people who has served DU I heavily advise you consider what you wish to tie your name to. Do you want to be a badge on a decaying corpse or do you wish to be a plaque on a distinguished grave. Because it becomes quite clear it's unlikely there is a synergy in which DU remains alive. And to the people who are not in DU you should consider how you discuss something people sunk months or even years into. There is passion and brotherhood weaved into these battalions so it matters that we treat it with respect. we are weighing up the aspects and quality of a battalion not it's people. There is no defence that can justify the continued existence of DU as a battalion only justifications for a battalion to exist. We can get DU on it's feet but it still won't be a fun battalion to interact with as it truly doesn't have a unique place in the server. Unlike other battalions there is no way to reform DU as this is the only way DU can exist, as a regular battalion. It just doesn't justify it's own existence. DU should not be removed because you dislike the people of DU. It should be removed because it does not function. +1, it sad to see that some creative ideas must come to an end I also suggest moving the shield to heavy, where both things may find an actual place to be useful

Name: Marvel RP Rank: Private Suggestion: Remove Doom’s Unit Implementation: Deploy Commander Doom and his men to Ringo Vinda in search of that 501st clout Lore: N/A Workshop content if applicable: N/A (If no workshop content, suggest a developer or put "Require Development") If you are asking to add or change a job, fill out the following Add or Change: Change (Any job modification requires all this information) Job: All Doom’s Unit jobs Slots: 0 Description: N/A Model: N/A (Provide the model string if on server Ex. models/player/synergy/cblake/ls_squad/ls_trp/lstrp.mdl (Get this from the Q menu) Weapons: N/A (If you want a modfication to a weapon/saber you must put the weapon string in the suggestion. Ex. tfa_e5 (Get this from the Q menu)) Other: Obviously this stems from a multitude of reasons. In the opinions of many there are quite a lot of battalions, factions, and groups on the server that split our playerbase very thin as is. Removing a battalion will reallocate a good number of people among all these different groups. Doom’s Unit in its current state is the most logical as it has consistently been the most problematic battalion on the server for a very long time. It’s numbers have always struggled and it’s reputation has never been that great to be completely honest. At best all they add to the server is a little bit of diversity (which we already have a ton) and shields. Battalion diversity right now is really just the paint job of your armor due to there not being any battalion buffs so really we aren’t losing anything major to the server besides shields which can easily be given out to another battalion or a certain job in every battalion like HVO or HVY. CG is definitely a viable choice to receive shields as they already share them with DU a little. All in all removing Doom’s Unit might be the best option. I’ve talked with quite a few people regarding this subject and I have personally been an advocate for removing a battalion or two for a long time now. I truly believe more battalions would be better off if there were less battalions to stretch our playbase thin. On the last remove DU post which was handled poorly I did come to DU’s defense in a way but mainly because of how bad the suggestion was taken care of. For a long time now DU hasn’t been extremely popular with the community and I can’t even count how many times I have been involved in conversations where DU is talked down upon and someone almost always brings up “Why not just remove it”. Ultimately in the end I do agree with most of these people. However a very good argument is that 21st was on the chopping block and they got a second chance. This is very true but being completely honest I don’t think it entirely worked. I do believe it helped wash away their very terrible mindsets however the battalion itself still can barely keep good numbers and their activity is all over the place. At the end of the day I don’t think the 21st wipe solved anything besides getting rid of some deep scars on the battalion. There are still just too many battalions on the server and of these two battalions I believe DU has always struggled more than 21st making it the logical choice. Also removing a battalion will open up the opportunity to potentially replace it later on in the future with something new. Synergy hasn’t had a new battalion in a very long time and adding something new and fresh can really be a good thing. Heck it doesn’t even need to be another clone battalion. We could look at another faction or something along the lines. Though this would obviously be talked about way down the line if removing one battalion proved to improve the other battalions with numbers and activity. DU Is again the logical choice because they have very few numbers when compared to the rest of the battalions. They’re at an all time low and it would be best to do it now rather than allowing someone else to go in and give it their all, only for the battalion to die again and lead us right back here. Currently DU is on the rise again due to the assistance of High Command stepping in and taking the reins however DU has gotten back on it’s feet in the past only to be knocked down again extremely easily. A lot of these people joining are typically joining because they can gain something from this whole ordeal whether it be rank or power. As soon as High Command leaves the battalion to focus on their other responsibilities I guarantee the battalion will not last long. Even if maybe the first BCMD after HC steps away does decently the next one can easily do very poorly and the community will just grab their pitchforks again and call for their removal. The recent events should not be used as an argument as to why DU should not be removed. It is honestly too late at this point and a repeat of what happened to 21st will not solve anything either. Finally the main reason I have come to the conclusion that this might be the best course of action is I have actually thought about going in and helping DU. Maybe even apply for BCMD but I think the community has honestly already decided that DU just isn’t worth it. I feel like anyone could come in and save the battalion but if the next BCMD or the next one after that fails to deliver on the community’s high expectations we’ll just be back at square one and everyone will be hoping for it’s removal once again. Which is extremely likely at this rate. I know that every battalion goes through their phases where they’re active and thriving or they’re inactive and struggling but the reason this happens is because of the amount of different battalions and factions we have. This will never be solved unless we start trimming some of the fat. Also this suggestion by no means is to offend anyone in DU, past or present. I know a lot of people have put a ton of blood, sweat, and tears into that battalion but honestly it’s a never ending cycle at this point. I don’t believe it is healthy to continue to allow battalions to constantly go through these phases where they’re either doing decent/meh to really bad. Please do not flame DU or it's members in the comments below and be courteous. Put yourself in their shoes. I am open to any debates on this topic either here on the forums, discord, and TS. If you need to reach me on discord my user is Ruusaar#1337

Name: Guac RP Rank: Certified Playboy Suggestion: Allow all staff, Admin+, to color and materialize people/entities. These tools have been utilized by GMs for ages until recently. This tool is used for more than just GM work, but Sims, Training, Tryouts, BT, and more. Please add this capacity for Admin+ (who have toolguns) back. Implementation: Allow Admin+ to use the color and material tool on others. Lore: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Beldorion Workshop content if applicable: (If no workshop content, suggest a developer or put "Require Development")

it only caused lag if you were stupid and set the spawner to spam like 50 lasers in 0.1 seconds. +1 Another tool / function removed because "it can be abused". Literally everything that staff gets can be abused. I can think of 100 other ways to fuck shit up with what we already have, no point in restricting these things. Especially not on event server.

I think removing a battalion right now would be good for the server so that more battalions can have more active members and I think DU is that battalion right now +1

Oh no I understand, I was just mainly putting that in case they were like "We're gonna remove DU. Hmmmm what do we add as a replacement if we wanted to replace it with something?"

+1 I know my feelings on the matter are personal, HOWEVER, DU has been struggling for a good amount of my time on the server. At most I have seen about 10 on at once and I don't know how long that was ago. I think its just time to move on and find something new to add. Maybe we could add the new 13th iron battalion from Fallen Order into the server? Or how about a battalion based off of Captain Howzer? I know we don't have much information on them due to how little info we have about them in lore but we could make our own lore with those battalion ideas. (With like clone paint designs, lore characters, etc) I think that'd be cool.

For the people asking to replace DU with another battalion this is not what the suggestion is about. That wouldn't solve anything. Yeah there might be battalions that could potentially add something new to the server but at the end of the day the core problem is the sheer amount of battalions we currently have not whether one battalion has cooler lore than the other. It's about a core issue with the server because of all these different battalions that causes these cycles where this battalion is doing very well, these 2 battalions are doing alright, these 3 are in meh states, and these 2 are performing very poorly. It's almost always DU in that last category majority of the time. I don't understand why this cycle should be allowed to continue. Less battalions would open up the ability for more battalions to be in better states at the same time rather than some of them constantly struggling until old people come back or High Command steps in. Also Don't respond if you have nothing to add goober

The last time I saw DU do anything cool was defending the outside engine room on titan base with their shields and Z-6s. This current activity won’t hold up for long as people don’t actually care for DU and just want a hold of power in the power Vacuum that is DU right now. Shit back in the day I would’ve taken a 1-1 transfer in a wide open battalion run by high command looking for people to become The new High command. I have nothing against DU or the people who are in DU, I just think Comics and anyone who thinks there are too many battalions are correct. +1

-1 I use to be in favor of removing battalions(ie: Wipe Rancor and keep just the commanders and have them run the trainings), but I don’t think it’s the same with DU. Yes, there are people that could do there job, but that’s the same with every battalion. You could use that excuse for everyone, and we’d get no where. DU just needs to get the ball rolling and will be back on its feet, I don’t think it’s necessary to remove them. If, however, nothing changes and there is no hope for it, then yea I’d suggest removing it, but until then let’s try and fix it instead of removing it

If 91st can get removed while having a lot of loving members, then no battalion is exempt. A moment of silence for Oneniner, Royer, and Grum Circlejerking aside, as the overall life of the server gets more complex with more weapons, subclasses, etc, DU started to lose its purpose as the z6 carrying convoy running gamers they are. Drama wise, even when I was director there was problems, and they're not always there, but the same battalion having problems is not a normal thing. I don't remember the last big drama that CG had (for example) unless it was one specific player rather than battalion structure. In my time, battalions attract recurring problems if their old members can put themselves into the battalion and still have some authority. I know DU has no Honorary System but if it's anything like many others battalions/factions, then previous BCMDs have a place where they can all talk and discuss current issues. From what I can tell, this is almost never an issue in other battalions, but if this is still a problem a year and some change later where members are having issues recruiting and running the OfC ranks, and former High-ranks are shadow-running the battalion, then there's no telling what may happen. It could be a dead job-slot like C3-PO/R2-D2, or it could have a small niche of people that bleed green. However, I don't see it coming back to 15+ a day every day any time soon. +1 For removal; if for any reason it does not get removed, I'll join DU as a Jedi to put in my part. It's really easy to say that something is irreparable from the outside, so if DU gets a second chance, I'll dive in to see what's the culture about, and what can be done.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, that will last for about 2 weeks. it always does

Alright resident Dooms Unit Founder Dennis here. So as we can all expect -1 dumb suggestion 1. Removing battalions to "add something" is a dumb theory come to the table with something you want added then, battalion faction etc. Don't just start screaming bloody murder battalion dead cuz its dealing with low numbers. Everyone is like this because high command has taken such a public front in this. The same suggestion could have been posted for Rancor, or 41st, or 21st, 104th whoever is "dead" at the time. It just happens to be Dooms Unit right now, marvel you of anyone should know battalions come and go and only 501st and 212th and 1 or 2 others really pop off and do well while one is dead and the others struggle to fight for the middle of the pack. 2. "Too many battalions" is a lame excuse for what is considerably a lower player pop currently. We struggle to retain players and gain new ones that stay. GMOD is a old as balls game and not a lot of people want to play it or come to it. While we do get CT's and new players they have a lot of options to choose from and that's not a bad thing. Having a variety isn't bad, yes some things wont be as popular but you still have people who don't want to run in a main stream battalion. 3. Wipe, BCMD apply whatever it wont truly fix the issue that doing these things only helps for a short while. Battalions do well when they have strong leadership that can help set up the future. When i came back as doom that is what I did, three pretty successful doom terms for the most part, what has really taken a toll on the battalion is people having IRL issues and having to take a step back. TLDR: this is such a knee jerk reaction to a long standing problem the server has faced since i joined back in 2018 of battalions being active and some being not, its just not DU's "time right now" they have their moments and so do other battalions. The problem isn't the amount of battalions its, keeping players and not forcing them out because we don't "like them" or trying to get CT's / new recruits to come back. That is where the key lies in the success of the server. Not in removing battalions cuz they are having a hard time and people have to focus on their real lives. Its time for the community to not sit here and push for removal but to take this as an opportunity to learn, help grow the community and expand their knowledge and break the clique they always run in. Try something new enjoy different aspects of the server and not push to remove unique things from the server after one BCMD application gets denied.

+1, it’s unfortunate this had to happen but if you ask me, it’s not going to get better. With the state it’s In, DU is holding on to dear life. Anyone who is going to go for BCMD is most likely going to be shot down because of the whole 1-1 transfer up to XO going on right now and For the people coming in to help they are “trying to make ice cream out of poop”. Not a dig at anyone trying to go help. I actually respect and admire people who dropped their former battalions to go help. It’s just really thinking about it. It’s the right choice.

Name: Guac RP Rank: Expert Nae Nae'er Suggestion: Re-add the placeable turbolasers within the turbolaser tool we already have. Implementation: Don't know if this is a bug report, I am kinda just assuming it was removed; However, the re-implementation of the "Placeable Turbolaser" tool would act as an incredibly powerful asset to the GM team. As of not, it is incredibly difficult to provide any immersion through space battle without having a designated GH be "Turbolaser man". This tool was baller asf and I do not know why it was removed. I don't know what this feature was called by the way. I know if you pressed R with the tool gun out it would place and auto-firing, fully customizable, turbo laser stream. Lore: Kurluvion system | Wookieepedia | Fandom

Metro you out of anyone knows that every battalion faces these problems, every single one at this point your advocating removing any battalion that goes into a slump. 104th has been in this state multiple times before, after a few BCMD’s have left. 41st has had much worse times and no one came calling for their head. 501st and 212th have their moments as well. im not even saying these are chronic issues that they have like 91st or 327th had. This issue only arose after an untimely departure or a solid bcmd and an XO who wasn’t ready yet. It’s been at most 2 weeks. If we let rancor sit and struggle for over a year then DU should get more than 2 weeks.

changed my response.

DU, more so than any other battalion on the server, has always had this trend of activity with a new BCMD leading to mass resignations when the new BCMD leaves. This happens occasionally to other battalions, but never as consistently as DU. I'd agree that this situation was "fixable", but this has happened too many times. Every time people join or try to fix the battalion, they only help it temporarily and leave it to die again months later. At this point I feel like we should just let the battalion rest. It feels like it's been on it's last legs for such a long time. +1

These numbers are insane. A 10x increase in money made, and I thought irl inflation was bad. This is not the way to fix the economy. Money machine go brrrrrrr. -1 i think looking at weapon prices/tiers is definitely something that could be done, But I also remember people complaining about perms weapons ruining the purpose of having jobs, and cheaper weapons won’t fix people complaining about that. How do you fix this situation I don’t know exactly, but this isn’t it.

-1 Heyo, its Razen, I been around the block recently and I want to put my point out there onto why we need to keep DU. To anyone that wants to say DU is a "filler" battalion or a "extra battalion just taking up space" then you are totally wrong. Dooms Unit has been on the server for quite some time now, and Ill admit yes its had its moments. The first main reason is the heart of the battalion itself. This Battalion still contains some solid people that have made some sort of positive presence within the battalion. People are currently grinding their ass off attempting to save the battalion that is 10 feet away from its downfall. You've got people sitting here recruiting and non stop training, and continuously mentoring others around them to make the Battalion a more serious place to come to, as well as a more enjoyable environment within the server. Yall gonna sit here and talk about activity when today itself our singular line in debrief damn near outnumbered the entirety of the server in the debrief, in the middle of prime time on a Wednesday. Regardless of numbers, you have people desperately panicking to do everything they can to help save the battalion that they have ever so loved since being on the server. There is people that have put countless hours into Dooms Unit, and some legendary people that have come out of this battalion after countless hours of work and grind as well as dedication. And honestly, how you gonna drop this post right when DU is finally getting the help it needed?! I may have been in this battalion for not even 24 hours but the amount of fight they still have left in them is too much to give up on them now. Obviously everyone has an opinion, so I feel as if someone attempting to say "removing DU will help balance battalion numbers out more" doesn't sound accurate whatsoever. If DU is "inactive" then how does that even affect the other battalions numbers? Nobody is being forced to join this battalion, but I've seen to much heart and grind within the inside of the Battalion to give up on them just yet. Patience seems to be a big problem sometimes on this server, and when nobody can wait for something they will not hesitate to go to the forums and make it worse. I will not change this vote as one too many people have had an effect on this battalion, and removing it is already basically getting more people out of a community that needs the new members.

this is way too true that its scary. (from what i know from the outside of 41st) all 2 of these battalions are in the same position but the only difference is 21st and 41st have a working HC while DU is in need of a rebuilding. Honestly we should give DU the 21st treatment, start from the bottom and build back up. theres things trixx made in 2019 thats still in use to this day, not saying its bad or anything but thats a 3 year old document even if its "revamped" all the info is the same. With a good DEDICATED HC focused on the future of DU, it doesnt need to be removed. Even if its not Brooklyn, Dennis, Maddoxx, and Mitchel again, get a squad of great commanding officers together, wipe DU and demote everyone to privates and watch its rebuilding process. 21st is in a great spot compared to last year due to that and if it didnt happen this suggestion would probably be about 21st instead of DU. -1 give them the same chance we gave 21st, the only differences in the situations is DU isnt toxic and elitist, its just bad right now…… again.

+1 anyone who doesnt is a DU fanboy

+1 lmao i was joking

I think remember seeing it gone within the same waive the color too was as well. Doubt there was any lag issues as I had used it countless times previously with 0 issues.

easy +1 #fakesubunit

+1 remove DU

Continuing on why I'm +1ing is that I'd rather have another battalion other than DU make a reappearance. At the current state of DU its basically rebuilding from the ground up and overall this is a very good chance to bring back other battalions that have disappeared from the server. Personally I really love the 91st and 327th and I wish to see them again.

You can use that same argument for 501st and 212th They do the exact same thing, why should we keep both? DU can be fixed, and yea sure they don’t have a whole lot of lore, but who gives a fuck about that lol. All of Rancors CMD’s are dead and shouldn’t technically be here, literally almost all of 501sr lore characters are dead, they shouldn’t technically be here. DU is different because you can do whatever you want with it. It doesn’t have a “lore” structure to it. I mean that argument is just flawed. DU could come back and fix itself, and that’s why I’m not +1’ing this.