Logic

Nobody is treating it as such, I'm promoting healthy discussion about how the server is ran. Giving it a good hard look because why is it run this way? Because thats the way its ALWAYS been run.

I actually have no opinion on you, I think you're an SA which shows you have respectable judgement, I just disagree with the way you react to discussion on the forums. When you disagree it should be a thought out discussion rather than dumbing the post and closing out. The reason I called YOU out was because I've seen you do it multiple times, I want to hear all opinions and reasoning on this matter, not just "I agree or disagree" On the server the "Take it to PMs" Joke was a bit far on my end and I apologize. I was just giving you a hard time because you treated the situation as hostile when it was just friendly advice. Not tryna hurt your feelings.

This is actually a system of vigilantes. you dont sit in front of 200 forum members for breaking rules in real life. You sit in a room of UNBIASED peers while evidence is produced in a civil environment and the judge delievers the final verdict. On here its getting thrown into a trial of your friends and enemies all roasting eachother while the evidence is ignored by the flamers and the memelords.

I care so much about the reputation number by my name. You get a dumb because I was clearly calling for him to discuss with me as this is a DISCUSSION.

The main point is PRODUCTIVENESS. So evidence not votes. I think the votes should be minimal, less opinion based more evidence based. Example of BAD report: +1 Dude is rude sometimes -1 Hes nice to me Example of a Good Report This post isn't surprising, one time he actually did the same thing to me, but didn't think much of it at the time, Heres proof: (Or Heres what happened:) This doesn't seem like something they should be reported for, because I was involved in this situation and heres how it actually went down:

We're having a discussion so I see no issue. The point is to have the discussion Yes this is one of the things, but another is just people putting +1 or -1 with no logical reasoning, or people who spout bs like -1 this CMD report is dumb he treats me nice

When it comes to rule breaking community votes don't matter, community votes still apply to suggestions/applications and all other areas where it makes sense. However a report is not a community vote, its a report so high staff/command can take action based on evidence presented. However one person may not have all the evidence required to take action, and requires anecdotal backup from community members who experienced the same thing.

I don't really mean Private like noone can see, I mean private like, only comment if you have evidence, instead of acting like your vote matters

And if reports were handled more privately life would be easy. Thats essentially what I'm mentioning. But the current infrastructure doesn't really allow for private handling of reports. Problem with CMD? CMD report Problem with Staff abusing you? Staff Report Problem with a player? Player report This should become more civilized and less of a toxicity fest. I'm not innocent on this either, and I think if it got restructured as a "Presentation of Evidence against XXX" including anecdotal and solid evidence from other community members who now speak up, instead of +1/-1 based on evidence presented by original poster.

Right and that falls under involvement in the situation. If a community member experienced what the report was about, they are more than welcome to chime in, but their friends chiming in because they are friends is just leads to toxicity within the community. Example: CMD report on CMD XYZ He bullied a 12 year old non stop in voice chat. 12 year old makes the report but CMD ABC of a separate battalion -1s because "There is not enough evidence" or "This is just a mad cringe baby" because he likes CMD XYZ All I'm saying is instead of voting, provide evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, in support of the report or against the report. If you were not involved or have no evidence to add, you shouldn't comment. Its not a vote, its a report.

@DinaricInstead of dumbing me have a discussion with me.

I totally understand that, it comes down to people being degenerates and flaming eachother when neither party was involved. What I am saying is to stop voting and arguing, instead provide evidence or nothing at all

I have a serious question. Why are situations pertaining to staff or a specific battalion or group a discussion in the community? I feel like a staff report or CMD report or player report isn't something the community should be allowed to vote on. The only reason it should be open to the community in the first place is for anecdotal evidence to present itself. Its not a VOTE on whether the person broke the rules or not. The decision is not the community's decision to make, its the higher ups decision to make. So why does everyone instinctually start voting? Can we as a community agree to stop voting on REPORTS and only comment if providing evidence? It comes down to "Did they break the rules? Should they be punished for it?" Its not a matter of opinion or a vote on whether thats true or not

What he said 8/10

+1 never a bad interaction, calm guy

+1 good guy

This is in the staff report section, however is more of a GameMaster Report since I could not for the life of me find a GMM all day. if Heart requested it locked so he may gather details, please respect him and his team so they may deal accordingly, Staff abuse is not something that gets voted on anyway. People being cringe and -1ing something they weren't even there for and not reading that this was never intended to be a staff report. Please Relock and let staff deal with staff.

Yes there is a lack of evidence, but there was a fair amount of people on. Unfortunately I didn't collect evidence because I didn't think it would be a staff report situation, However the picture shows dual wielding dooku. I'm hoping other people who were on come and give their POV. @Caidoon Jovanovic and a few of the DU boys.

RP Name: Logicless Steam ID:STEAM_0:0:159926113 Staff member you are reporting: Xander Staff Members Steam ID (If applicable): Staff Members Wrong-Doing: Breaking GameMaster rules, FailRP, not disciplining failing Event jobs Explain the situation: Around 2pm EST on February 5th Xander started an event/encounter. It started normal enough, some weak fighters piloted by event jobs mixed in with AI. Then the event job pilots began to suicide bomb the hanger. This has been done before and I guess isn't the worst thing ever, but the event job continued to do it for the entire event. I do not know who it was or their steamID. There was fighters grounded in aurek, and a vwing tried shooting them and Xander used his phys gun and almost killed the vwing. Xander at the time was doing the classic Grievous "You foolish droids, I'll do it for you" He then came down as grievous in a geonosis fighter that dooku normally flies. He was wielding dual saber staffs and using force lightning and force reflect. (Possibly more but I do not know). He died probably faster than he had intended, and his fighter got blown up before he could retreat. He then switched over to Dooku and started the fighters again, and gave them insane amounts of health. For reference, I point blank diamond stormed one of the fighters 4 times, each hit deals about 15,000 damage, and then the troopers shot it down. Dooku came down and was dual wielding single bladed lightsabers. I believe he ran away to Aurek, where we chased him down and breached in. At this point I was given permission to diamond storm event jobs. Dooku was inside with a droid behind him, DU unloaded on him and I helped with the breach with two diamond storms which dooku just sat there doing force lightning stream, EATING my diamond storms, which at that range probably should've killed him in one shot. Dooku eventually switched to his dual lightsabers and ran off with force leap spam (classic) then he spawned a fighter in front of himself and sped off. Supposedly after there was another incident at the medbay, which someone reported to me that he was on Dooku and refusing to roleplay when he was captured. However I have no details. This event was an awful clusterfuck and I was going to post this same thing on the AAR, however it never went up. Meaning he never posted an AAR for an encounter/event which I believe is against the rules since it can be done to avoid negative feedback. The only reason this turned into a staff report is because of the missing AAR Key points: -Abusing Set health on ships and jobs -Not disciplining the suicide bomber -FailRP with dual wielding Dooku and Double staff grievous (Grievous may be acceptable) -Refusing to roleplay when captured. -Essentially doing "/advert CIS warps out" when spawning his ship -NOT POSTING AN AAR Evidence (If applicable): https://gyazo.com/b3f6a0b5942c307b0f767d38f51dd9b7 Action I believe should be taken: Strike on his gamemaster record Stern talking to by GMO/GMM Possible Staff demotion -Only if deemed necessary by Higher ups. I don't believe it should be, but others may thing otherwise

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The senate has some people I believe are fit for the position, however to my knowledge getting waived is proving to be a challenge.

Agreeing with him. Changing to a -1

Fast to assume noone else wants to go for this position. Would your opinion change if there was someone else going for it? +1ing someone because there is nobody else leads to the death of a batt/group

I dont agree with Marvel much, but this position requires a special type of person and you aren't it. You have a tendency to act without thinking, as shown by the BH situation, its the same situation that got the last Mas yeeted, It also requires someone with deep dedication to make the senate great again. Your activity isn't amazing as pointed out by others, and your other terms didn't go as great as you claim. -1

Both sides of the argument are rather strong. With DU being defensive based a JT wouldn't make sense (excluding HS). Its like CG, they don't usually do the whole front line thing that requires a JT. I personally am conflicted. If DU had every regiment and the uniqueness it currently holds, what would inspire people to join other battalions. I think DU is a unique battalion on the server when compared to 501st, 21st, 212th and 104th. I feel like it wouldn't be fair to give DU all the same regiments since they keep their shields when 21st lost the westars (on most jobs), 212th and 501st lost their custom dc15a's. All batts also lost the stats buff. I can see us getting a JT if we were to give something up. I am going to remain neutral because you guys really want it, and founders will make that final decision. Funny meme reason: Jetpacks dumb, remove regiment entirely. Reserve for 2AC, AA, Lancer, and GM