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Gonna be straightforward in this. I don’t want my arc wiped. The arc process takes so long for people to do and your gonna wait hold up make them spend more even more time on it? And a better thing, I’ve heard a few rancor don’t even like doing the current things moreover they are already very rare. And before someone quotes me saying did you read this and that yes I spent a lot of time reading it I could quote some of y’all. So since this suggestion is about wiping arc ima have to say -1 reason being-> 1. you didn’t talk with the community the worst way to do it is ooop suggestion about it. Idk about other people but finding out the process has started to remove my trainings without even discussing it with me doesn’t sit to well. I was told there’s a suggestion about arc wipe worst way to break news to someone terrible planning. 2. I don’t see the point? Yea you want everyone to do these cool new long grooling trainings but? Ik as much about arc as you do? I’ve read the lore, the books, the episodes, spent hours reading about arc stuff as a kid cause that shit was cool. So I get my arc training removed and have to learn stuff from a SNCO that I probably know what he’s about to say before he says it. Plus I said it before it’s already hard enough to get rancor to do the 3 trainings and y’all ask for help cause you don’t even have enough rancor to do them sometimes. 3. the wipe serves no purpose you can’t teach pvp skills that I already don’t know or Hevent experience having played on the server so long even so reaching semi pro in a first person shooter so what would you succeed in teaching me forcing me to do these trainings due to wiping? You would teach me nothing. This won’t pass with how the community is voting so I will leave ya a note @Brooklyn talk with people outside rancor before you suggest something like this, cya when the cooldown is done ^_^ I’m happy you have a passion to improve arc genuinely love arc stuff so much I just feel like you have too much confidence in rancor already arc selection, w&T, and leadership are hard to host and honestly passing that shit is awsome. I remember 4 years ago back in 2018 the moment I passed I know who my teammate where, me putting ARKT instead of ARC in my name and Colt yelling at me. I feel like what your doing will take away that feeling it will feel less like a omg I finally passed woo into damm now time to attend class for 2 weeks. If your reading this heart, comics, and hate to say it unkindled said really good stuff

-1 i agree with Ratio and Comics

Jesus, the condescension is palpable. I'ma hit you with a 'what the fuck' right off the bat. This is not only blatantly misleading (new training takes a whole 10 minutes longer), but backed by rumors (who are these rancor that don't like doing the trainings?) and just flat out false (ARC trainings aren't rare at all). My guy, this is the literal point of the board. Rancor HC had an idea, they made it, talked with HC, then made a suggestion to get community feedback. How else would they go about making this change? You claim to have read the OP, but this clearly shows you skimmed, at best. The training isn't any harder than it currently is (which isn't super hard anyways), and it's designed to not be grueling. Please, enlighten me on how 20 minutes of lore in 1 day is too hard for you. Besides how easy the trainings have been sectioned, they're also designed for less people to do them. You only need 1-2 people to do 2/3rds of the training, and the only ones that might need more than that are the practical sections. No one is arguing that the wipe is going to give everyone some insane newfound knowledge. The point of the wipe is to make sure everyone is on the same level of trainings, and that the minimum skill level for all ARC troopers is consistent. You got your training years ago, with different people administering, and a different server environment. Yes, it's annoying that you have to redo it, but this isn't about you, it's about maintaining the credibility of ARCs overall. I can't tell how legit this advice is supposed to be. If it's sarcastic, it's obvious, and if it's real, then holy shit do you need to tone down the 'I know more than you do' attitude. Maybe think for like, half a second, that RANCOR HIGH COMMAND is suggesting this. If anyone on the server has an accurate idea of what RANCOR can host, it would be them. In conclusion, Get learnt, and stop being obstructionist.

This is a very serious suggestion that we wish to make and hope that you, as the reader and community member, really read this before voting. That is all we ask. Disclaimer: When I say "We", this means Rancor High Command. Claw, Satan, Noodles, and myself. The topic I would like to bring to you today is about ARC Training and how it is being changed in the future. I will go through and explain how it is changing, and what possibilities can happen as a result of this change. Again, I really do hope you read this in it's entirety, as we are trying to make the ARC Program better as a whole, and not just trying to ruffle feathers for the sake of it. With that being said, thank you and let's begin. Name: Brooklyn RP Rank: XO Suggestion: We want to change ARC Trainings from what it currently is, a 3 staged tryout, to a 6 staged training that teaches and improves on the people who attend. I will explain this in detail. ARC Training Changes: To start, ARC Trainings as it stands right now is basically a tryout that upon passing gives you a permanent fallback on one of the best whitelists on the server. While the fallback itself wouldn't change, we want to change what the ARC Program is and move away from this tryout that don't really teach you things outside of the trainings itself. Weapons and Tactics is our only informational training that teaches you anything, with Selections and Leadership only being SIM's that are pass or fail with no incentive. We want to change ARC Training, or better said, ARC Tryouts, to be what it always should've been: A Program designed to better a players skills and ability, while teaching, mentoring, and improving on oneself without the limitations of no knowledge. This being said, I will give you a brief rundown as how this would work, without spoiling the contents of what the new trainings would consist of. You can only do 1 Day in a single day. Example: Day 1 - Monday / Day 2 - Tuesday / and so on and so forth. These do not have to be back to back days, you can go at your own pace. Selections will still be around to get people into the Program. Upon passing you will be granted ARCT. The ARCT Program will be talked about down below. Day 1 & 2 of this new program will consist of learning days. Day 1 being informational, and Day 2 being Basic Skill Training. These days are not failable, and instead is a time where you do it until you understand it. Day 1 takes around 20 minutes Day 2 takes around 1 hour Day 3 is your first knowledge and skills test. We will run you through a SIM that encompasses what you learned on Day 1 & 2. This Day is failable, however, instead of being stuck at this point, whatever you failed on, you will go back to. For example, if you failed on Day 1 Concepts, you will go back to Day 1, relearn what you might need, and then you can reattempt Day 3. Upon passing, you will move on. A concept we really want people to understand is we want to know you are listening, learning, and improving on what we are teaching you. This isn't to punish or make you do the same thing over and over, but again we want you to improve and get better as a player and as a future member of the ARC Program. Day 3 takes around 1 hour Day 4 & 5 are the same type of days as Day 1 & 2. These are not failable days that will obviously will have different concepts than the first 2 Days. Day 4 takes around 20 minutes Day 5 takes around 30 minutes Day 6 is your graduation Day. This Day is failable, but is also your final step to becoming a fully trained ARC Trooper. This training will encompass everything you learned from days 1-5. Upon passing, you will no longer be and ARCT. Again, this being a failable day, you would have to retake the course that you failed on for grading before you can retake Day 6. Day 6 takes about 1 hour and 30 minutes ARC Trainee (ARCT) Program: The ARCT Program was a concept that Rancor utilized a lot in 2017 - 2020, but has since then been phased out for not being needed. However, we intend to make this have purpose again. Let's get into what this ARCT Program will be. Obtained after Passing Selections The biggest change to the ARCT Program is this: Once you become an ARCT, you will have access to the ARC Whitelist right away. Upon passing Selections, you will have a 2 week time period to complete your ARC Trainings before losing access to the whitelist. (Please note this does not mean you have to restart your Trainings. This just means you get a free trial to be on ARC while you go through your Training Period.) When running around on the ARC whitelist as an ARCT. You must have ARCT in your name instead of ARC. While a ARCT you may not become a ARC Lore Character, attend Alpha Designations, or hold ARC Leadership in a battalion ARC Recertification: I know, I know, but bare with me here for a minute. This is not a Wipe. Again, I ask you read in full what this entails before making your judgement. This is how the ARC Recert will work: All ARC Trained individuals will have to go through the 6 Training Days to keep their ARC Training Current ARC Trained individuals will not have to retake Selections. Instead, they will start on Day 1. Unlike new ARCTs, ARCs who require recertification can run through as many days as needed in 1 day. For Example, I can complete Day 1-3 at one time. Upon completing Day 1. A 30 Day timer will begin. Should you not complete the 6 Trainings in that 30 Days, your trainings will be stripped. Failing Day 3 or Day 6 will not get your trainings removed. All you will have to do is redo what you failed on, and try again. Again, you can do as many in 1 Day at a time. These 30 Days do not start at the same time for everyone. They only start when you complete your Day 1. During this time period, you will not lose a lore character, ARCO/L Positions, or Alpha Designation. You will keep them until you pass Day 6 as long as the 30 Days does not expire. You can ask for time extensions. We know Real Life is a thing. If you cannot do this in the 2 weeks, you can contact Rancor Command for an extension. Rancor will actively pursue current ARC Slot Personnel, Lore Characters, and Alpha Designated Personnel as you will need it first to maintain your position. The only way to not pass is to be lazy or push it off. I'll be honest about that. This looks like a lot, but I will put your mind at ease. Reread the ARC Training Changes Section and look at the time it takes for each training. These are maximum times only, so they can take less time. Implementation: ARC Training Changes: These changes will be happening with ARC Regardless, the reason I wrote it all out is so you, as a community, can understand where we are coming from when we are literally revamping all of the ARC Program. This is not the voting topic. However we will look at any feedback you all give. ARC Trainee (ARCT) Program: Again, not the voting topic, but we will look into any feedback given on the topic. ARC Recertification: This is the voting topic. I know people who have been effected by an ARC Recert in the past most likely still has grudges against it, but I hope you read and understand why we want to make a change this big. That will be all. Thank you for reading and giving this idea a chance.

Yes but again this is a gmod is it not? The fact is yes I’m willing to learn I’ve learned a lot in my 18 years of life and I don’t think it’s egotistical to say hey you can’t teach me arc lore and hey you can’t teach me pvp skills I can back that up with a test if need be or a aim trainer idk lol. But you say it’s about teaching practical leadership? I’ll give ya a few things to think about. 1. you say based on your disagreement with my post that anyone that hosts these is qualified to all of a sudden teach leadership skills that will impact my life? 2. They are supposed to teach these tactics that no one else knows the special way to clear a building or special way to infiltrate a base? Sure if this was arma and I was will my friends squaded up ready to kick some ass all for learning new things that’s what I do when I wanna get better. I’ve spent hours on different games doing research figuring out tactics here and there but This is gmod the droids got 300 hp sometimes, it’s not about strategy more so it’s about ooo I can hit this droid and he can’t see me or ooo I’m far away it can’t hit me. 3. Are these trainings supposed to be a Ted talk? That’s what you make it to seem? And yes I do admit the current arc system isn’t perfect even with good leadership skills people fail due to dumbass mistakes from the people under you but as there leader you take responsibility just as much as them. So genuinely you think these so called trainings will teach life practical skills that’s why you disagree with me? Even if they do the document is only as good as the one writing it and then when someone other then the author reads it it’s even worse due to not coming from first hand experience.

The point of trainings is to teach people but also to practice skills or knowledge to understand them better. ARC is more than just lore, if you actually know the lore then you would understand why the training should be revamped. ARC troopers were supposed to be tactical advisors and the best of the best in strategy. PvP isn’t even the primary goal of the trainings, it’s about teaching practical leadership skills that go beyond gmod or any other virtual environment. The mentality that you know it all or no one can teach you something new is cringe. Not to mention extremely egotistical.

In all honesty this is not a bad idea I read it and in my opinion it will be good. It is not a bad thing to have a longer training process, it shows that you are committed to the program and that you care about improving. I believe forcing everyone who is currently arc trained to recert is a lot but if you made it optional for those who wanted to I think that would be a good idea. +1 on the new training -1 on mandatory recertification

In my eyes, I have to ask, why the change? A lot of Alphas and ARC troopers are very comfortable with their slot on their job, and the current way of hosting the 3-stage tryout is, while not perfect, the best way to accommodate for majority of people. In a perfect world, it's a cool idea. However, I'm willing to bet nobody is saying, "I'm gonna take AN ENTIRE WEEKS worth of time to keep the whitelist that I earned." I know you don't have to do the days back-to-back, I know you can take pauses, I know all of this. But where is the logistical process? Who is going to be hosting ARC D1-6? Is it going to be like Youngling trials where if enough trainees show up, they can request a Day, or is it when RANCOR feels it's necessary? Secondly, does this increase the quality of ARC troopers? Or does it make it more tedious to become one? Third, is it going to be SIMs with all the other trainees, or is it individual effort? And if the latter, how do you accommodate for the amount of time it would take? -1 to the new training style, if I was an NCO in RANCOR I think I would hate doing these. It seems like a massive time sink to maybe improve the knowledge and tactics (?) of an ARC trooper I understand the huge sentiment with "This is not a wipe" but I feel it's more of, "We made this thing and you have to try it OR ELSE." and forcing people to do something under the threat of their character is already a negative for most. MED and ENG wipes don't get the same flak because they're fundamentally similar between training updates. However, even with the EASIEST trainings (EOD for example), telling someone EOD is getting wiped would piss them off. Especially if you said, "You have to try this new 3-step EOD training!". And this "wipe" in particular is because you're asking for SIX HOURS of online time (over the course of a month albeit) for what purpose? Why can't new recruits attend two "days" in a day? My only assumption is that multiple days won't be hosted on the same day for recruits. If an ARC trooper re-certifying can do days 1-3 in one go, what purpose does gridlocking a new recruit have? Let people complete their training at their own pace. If you want to increase the quality of people getting the whitelist, whether by vetting them or training them better, it doesn't have to be through this (and I hate to say this) almost tyrannical, tedious process. And if you want ARC to maintain its popularity, I wouldn't threaten whitelist removal after a month of not doing training sessions. -1 For re-cert

-1 Bigman how the hell can you suggest making it even longer and more draining than it already is? Its a garrys mod server my man I grasp you want it to be harder because its meant to be the best of the best, ironically being harder than something that should be harder to get into, by that I mean RC. The current system already sucks for EU people as it is and I really do not think that changing it to be even longer and more time consuming is a) fair and b) logical, if you so desperately want the process to make people into better gmod starwars soldiers then actually make good changes to the system instead of saying lets make it take even longer and be more irritating to get, oh and lets throw in if you fail on day 3 you can go right back to square 1 after selections, I really don't understand whose thought process this was but I really think they should rethink it because its just plain stupid. If people do end up doing the trainings may god bless them because this suggestion is just ridiculous. Keep in mind as is its already extremely annoying to be on and available to play at times the current trainings even happen, even more so for EU like I stated, unless as somebody else stated you are gonna host more which I highly, highly doubt then big nono from me.

I am quite happy with RANCORS response on how they would aid in making this a fluid system. Sometimes change can hurt, but it gives us something to do. +1

I don't agree with the recerting ^ -1

I'm 100% behind this change. For a long time ARC trainings have been in an awkward between place of being both 'elite' and useless, and this overhaul will make ARC trainings actually prevalent again. Also because I know it's a hot topic, ARC probably should be wiped. The fact that the proposed changes give everyone a month long period from when they start (NOTE THIS IS NOT 30 DAYS FROM THE DAY THE CHANGE STARTS, BUT 30 DAYS FROM WHEN YOU WALK UP TO A RANCOR OFFICER AND SAY "I'd like to start the recert process") should be an indicator that Rancor HC doesn't want everyone to lose their trainings. This isn't a Dennis wipe, so stop acting like it is. Stop acting like wipes are the end of the world, because they aren't. If you really care about the ARC program, get the trainings again and stop being lazy. Stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. -If you think this is a pointless change, then who cares, it's not gonna affect you. -If you think this is bad because people have to redo their trainings, then welcome to Synergy. Trainings and certifications get wiped all the time, this isn't some new concept, and it isn't the end of the world. Also love the usual trend of oldheads coming out of the fucking woodworks to stop anything from changing. Really helps make the community grow and change for the better.

-1 So, just so I'm not making a cookie-cutter response, I'm mainly putting in this vote simply because I'm against training wipes in general. I believe that at times you need to be reevaluated (something I would actually be open to do it if I, say got pulled aside for it) but to lose everything isn't really an ideal thought. I remember first time around I had my ARC training for years and Dennis' revamping of the trainings came around and (love you Dennis) it wasn't substantial whatsoever and the fail rate was just higher. I actually believe that some middle ground can be reached in this so it's not a repeat of what happened before. That being said, if it does come to me having to get recerted, I will actually go to the recerts. I just expect to learn something valuable and new because if I'm going to show up and relearn what bounding and ace reports are all over again, then it'll just make me wonder why I'm even there. Something that comes to mind and really worries me is that this is just going to turn into an overcomplicated version of what we have now regardless of the layout that this provided--the curriculum being vague and not necessarily giving us an idea of why we need two sets of trainings days and two different SIMs. I'm sure there are reasons, but I don't want a repeat of "NOT YOUR GRANDMA'S TECH TRAINING" to start applying to ARC. If I'm missing something please let me know so I can give a more educated response.

I wanna re-phrase what i said, i talked with some people and I believe that ARC needs a fucking wipe. You can call it funny names sure, but everyone knows what reserts are, and im down for it. Most of the people who care about ARC and are experienced RP'ers and experienced PVP'ers can most likely work for their reserts. The difficulty of the training comes with the fact you may have to do it more than once. Not everyone is supposed to pass everything on the first try, the dedication it could take to become an ARC trooper is the same dedication that would shape them into an actual role-player. Thats what i see in the future and that's my belief. Which goes onto my next point, most of the people getting mass dumbed by an invisible hivemind are just trying to put out their opinions, all ARCL's and ARCO's in the server should 100% have an opinion on this matter and the fact that people think it makes sense to someones opinion is just plain. I understand most of the opinions may be... dumb, but as this is the ONE place all battalion ARC's can express their thoughts, I don't know why they can't do it without getting harassed. Still crazy to me that some people have superiority complexes and think their opinion is the only one, and the only right one. Still +1 though, a lot of you guys should have more faith in brooklyn

-1 Not only are you suggesting essentially wiping ARC by making them do all the trainings again, you guys are ignoring ARC officers+ in other battalions and blatantly making it a pain in the ass for people that have already completed the trainings. Why not instead let ARC trainings be battalionized and let ARCL's decide how they do the trainee program for each battalion or set guidelines for their battalionized trainee program. If you guys are wanting to kill Rancor activity for having everyone basically starting from Day 1 again, if the suggestion does get approved, that's where it looks like it's heading. If you want to here more info about a new Battalionized ARC Trainee system, contact Sixes in the 212th Attack Battalion Discord

Look at one point I'd probably of 100% agreed with y'all and honestly these trainings would be dope for a much more serious server or hell an Arma server maybe. But this is garry's mod, and a very relaxed server. I've thought that ARC trainings are flawed and need revamping but this is going very overboard and I don't think fits within the archetype that the server is trynna fit into. -1

as a wise bacta once said "change is good" +1 */j* bacta is stupid but i do still +1 nonetheless, marvel is right.