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I didnt read through all the comment cos people decided to do essays but I read through a couple. I am in agreement that something has to be done but a wipe is a bit rough, not too long ago 501st and 104th were in a similar situation to DU but people didn't suggest removal cos they are the main lore batts and they bounce back. Currently, As @Dennis eluded to, Gmod is a fucking dying game as the server is surviving off of infrequent updates and the GM teams hard work. Wiping or removing a batt just to add something later on won't help and its likely to just push all the loyal individuals @Conrad mentioned away from the server, hell look how many troopers left 21st after the wipe, I ALMOST LEFT because I felt so betrayed by both clone HC and server HC. I didn't even want to talk to Gears for like a month. I solidered through but many people won't and will just say bye, like with 327th, 187th, 91st and even RM. I suggest we all wait a little bit, see if the future hold anything good, otherwise we will just be removing batt after batt to "Help the server" No battalion is doing great atm, 212th and 501st aren't there normal self's, I remember seeing consistent 10+ members, now that's saved for weekends. 21st always lived on like 4-8 members many batts do as they are less mainstream like DU. Hell, CG and Rnacor havent been doing amazing either. The server averaged around 70 to 90 players, going above this on weekends. If we split that amongst all 9 clones batt, Jedi, BH and Naval, thats 12 groups so 90÷12= 7.5 per. Obviously the split is more weighted but you see the problem. Removing a batt won't make it a 90÷11 it will likely make it a 85÷11 at best. TL;DR - Hold for now, removal will just betray the trust of those in the batt and likely push them away from the server like it had done in the past and relatively recently with the 21st.

Should we just keep these corpse battalions on the server? How do you suggest we solve battalions who hold no place in the server? because we have our solution: full removal You people keep asking to wait and see what happens. What are we waiting for? How long do we need to wait? Can we make a removal post in a year if DU is just as out-of-place and unfun to work with. I can understand reservations about how members are likely to leave if their battalion is removed but keeping that battalion is not the solution. At this point people are no longer arguing whether or not DU deserves to be removed because it's become blatantly obvious this is the case. DU itself cannot be defended people have moved to general concerns that could apply to any battalion. Despite DU unique place in not fitting in, being painfully characterless, and having no lore to build off into something. We don't want to fix DU, that's not what this suggestion is aiming to do. This suggestion is about how DU as a battalion, but not it's people, are an issue that cannot be fixed as it's fundamental to the battalion. We want it gone because you cannot reform it in any way. People aren't doing this for 21st or RANCOR because there's genuine value, lore, and reform-ability with those groups. Honestly the real thing that should be discussed is how to ensure we keep DU members from leaving the server cause that's the big issue with removing batts. This is a more nuanced issue I would probably put in the hands of HC to organise like a transfer program for DU to get equal ranks in batts or something along those lines.

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Name: Marvel RP Rank: Private Suggestion: Remove Doom’s Unit Implementation: Deploy Commander Doom and his men to Ringo Vinda in search of that 501st clout Lore: N/A Workshop content if applicable: N/A (If no workshop content, suggest a developer or put "Require Development") If you are asking to add or change a job, fill out the following Add or Change: Change (Any job modification requires all this information) Job: All Doom’s Unit jobs Slots: 0 Description: N/A Model: N/A (Provide the model string if on server Ex. models/player/synergy/cblake/ls_squad/ls_trp/lstrp.mdl (Get this from the Q menu) Weapons: N/A (If you want a modfication to a weapon/saber you must put the weapon string in the suggestion. Ex. tfa_e5 (Get this from the Q menu)) Other: Obviously this stems from a multitude of reasons. In the opinions of many there are quite a lot of battalions, factions, and groups on the server that split our playerbase very thin as is. Removing a battalion will reallocate a good number of people among all these different groups. Doom’s Unit in its current state is the most logical as it has consistently been the most problematic battalion on the server for a very long time. It’s numbers have always struggled and it’s reputation has never been that great to be completely honest. At best all they add to the server is a little bit of diversity (which we already have a ton) and shields. Battalion diversity right now is really just the paint job of your armor due to there not being any battalion buffs so really we aren’t losing anything major to the server besides shields which can easily be given out to another battalion or a certain job in every battalion like HVO or HVY. CG is definitely a viable choice to receive shields as they already share them with DU a little. All in all removing Doom’s Unit might be the best option. I’ve talked with quite a few people regarding this subject and I have personally been an advocate for removing a battalion or two for a long time now. I truly believe more battalions would be better off if there were less battalions to stretch our playbase thin. On the last remove DU post which was handled poorly I did come to DU’s defense in a way but mainly because of how bad the suggestion was taken care of. For a long time now DU hasn’t been extremely popular with the community and I can’t even count how many times I have been involved in conversations where DU is talked down upon and someone almost always brings up “Why not just remove it”. Ultimately in the end I do agree with most of these people. However a very good argument is that 21st was on the chopping block and they got a second chance. This is very true but being completely honest I don’t think it entirely worked. I do believe it helped wash away their very terrible mindsets however the battalion itself still can barely keep good numbers and their activity is all over the place. At the end of the day I don’t think the 21st wipe solved anything besides getting rid of some deep scars on the battalion. There are still just too many battalions on the server and of these two battalions I believe DU has always struggled more than 21st making it the logical choice. Also removing a battalion will open up the opportunity to potentially replace it later on in the future with something new. Synergy hasn’t had a new battalion in a very long time and adding something new and fresh can really be a good thing. Heck it doesn’t even need to be another clone battalion. We could look at another faction or something along the lines. Though this would obviously be talked about way down the line if removing one battalion proved to improve the other battalions with numbers and activity. DU Is again the logical choice because they have very few numbers when compared to the rest of the battalions. They’re at an all time low and it would be best to do it now rather than allowing someone else to go in and give it their all, only for the battalion to die again and lead us right back here. Currently DU is on the rise again due to the assistance of High Command stepping in and taking the reins however DU has gotten back on it’s feet in the past only to be knocked down again extremely easily. A lot of these people joining are typically joining because they can gain something from this whole ordeal whether it be rank or power. As soon as High Command leaves the battalion to focus on their other responsibilities I guarantee the battalion will not last long. Even if maybe the first BCMD after HC steps away does decently the next one can easily do very poorly and the community will just grab their pitchforks again and call for their removal. The recent events should not be used as an argument as to why DU should not be removed. It is honestly too late at this point and a repeat of what happened to 21st will not solve anything either. Finally the main reason I have come to the conclusion that this might be the best course of action is I have actually thought about going in and helping DU. Maybe even apply for BCMD but I think the community has honestly already decided that DU just isn’t worth it. I feel like anyone could come in and save the battalion but if the next BCMD or the next one after that fails to deliver on the community’s high expectations we’ll just be back at square one and everyone will be hoping for it’s removal once again. Which is extremely likely at this rate. I know that every battalion goes through their phases where they’re active and thriving or they’re inactive and struggling but the reason this happens is because of the amount of different battalions and factions we have. This will never be solved unless we start trimming some of the fat. Also this suggestion by no means is to offend anyone in DU, past or present. I know a lot of people have put a ton of blood, sweat, and tears into that battalion but honestly it’s a never ending cycle at this point. I don’t believe it is healthy to continue to allow battalions to constantly go through these phases where they’re either doing decent/meh to really bad. Please do not flame DU or it's members in the comments below and be courteous. Put yourself in their shoes. I am open to any debates on this topic either here on the forums, discord, and TS. If you need to reach me on discord my user is Ruusaar#1337

Metro you out of anyone knows that every battalion faces these problems, every single one at this point your advocating removing any battalion that goes into a slump. 104th has been in this state multiple times before, after a few BCMD’s have left. 41st has had much worse times and no one came calling for their head. 501st and 212th have their moments as well. im not even saying these are chronic issues that they have like 91st or 327th had. This issue only arose after an untimely departure or a solid bcmd and an XO who wasn’t ready yet. It’s been at most 2 weeks. If we let rancor sit and struggle for over a year then DU should get more than 2 weeks.

The last time I saw DU do anything cool was defending the outside engine room on titan base with their shields and Z-6s. This current activity won’t hold up for long as people don’t actually care for DU and just want a hold of power in the power Vacuum that is DU right now. Shit back in the day I would’ve taken a 1-1 transfer in a wide open battalion run by high command looking for people to become The new High command. I have nothing against DU or the people who are in DU, I just think Comics and anyone who thinks there are too many battalions are correct. +1

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I was joking around with him and he told me to kill myself I knew it was a joke and he got banned if y’all didn’t know. Don’t think that was the only reason but it was the final straw. +1 from me. He didn’t really deserve the ban in my eyes

Name: shroud RP Rank: PVT Suggestion: remove DU Implementation: press remove button Lore: fake sub unit, dead battalion Workshop content if applicable: N/A (If no workshop content, suggest a developer or put "Require Development") If you are asking to add or change a job, fill out the following Add or Change: Remove it entirely (Any job modification requires all this information) Job: DU Slots: N/A Description: shit battalion and its dead Model: N/A (Provide the model string if on server Ex. models/player/synergy/cblake/ls_squad/ls_trp/lstrp.mdl (Get this from the Q menu) Weapons: N/A (If you want a modfication to a weapon/saber you must put the weapon string in the suggestion. Ex. tfa_e5 (Get this from the Q menu)) Other: N/A

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Now this I cant agree with my good sir. I dont think its right at all to jus go out simply saying battalions are differenced from their color. there so much more to it and that statement is incorrect because of it. Battalions are truly seperated by the people that are in it, the different sub units and trainings within them, the different battles they have fought in lore, the different objectives each battalion has and what they wanna accomplish truly seperate all these different groups of people on the server. Theres more reasons then that for sure, but those are some main ones I wanted to mention. DU has a goal, and objectives, and wants to shine like the other battalions around them. Also Id like to point out that I also disagree with the "people joining because of high command", and honestly I could give a rats ass if high command was involved in DU or not. I can name atleast 10 people that have recently joined that have come here to do nothing but help this battalion prosper and succeed since HC took over, and not because charge is being taken by High Command but because people have hearts and a love for this battalion, and they want nothing but to help and keep the battalion consistent in their duties. And being fair, I feel as if maybe a few people are going to try to take advantage and powerplay, but with HC overlooking everything nothing like that will be allowed to happen. Everything takes time, and if people can not wait for something to grow again how will we ever grow as a community again, especially if we cant wait for things to prosper and have a positive effect on the server. Yes, DU may not be as important as some other battalions, but it still has a huge role within the server and has people still putting their desperate time into it.

As someone who is currently trying to help Doom's Unit please give us time. The battalion was blindsided by stroodles departure and we are working hard to get back on track. Respectfully -1

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+1 anyone who doesnt is a DU fanboy

+1 lmao i was joking

+1 I will say no more

+1 remove DU

-1 I was the number 1 advocate to get DU added to this server. I fought hard along many others. You guys already removed 187th why remove another battalion? bruh remove 501st the battalion with the least amount of lore?? But seriously dont remove it.

-1 Just wait until summer

-1 There is no saying the DU members would stay on the server if they are removed, and instead hurting the player population even more.

-1, I've seen 21st inactive af yet no post to remove them. Yes, we struggle whenever we have no BCMD or a bad one like every other battalion. A lot of people resigned from CG not too long ago yet I have seen no post to remove them.