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Please state a single way this can be achieved because you're just making an unjustified claim. We are suggesting a solution to DU, what is your solution to DU since we cannot find another one? No one brought up dead lore characters lol not sure why you did tbh. Still doesn't go against my point DU is not interesting and has no lore to bounce off of. They're not fun to interact with because they have no character or personality. 212th and 501st are the most lore rich and character heavy battalions and quite Cleary have separate personalities most accentuated by their very different BCMDs. 501st is more rag tag with a unique and off the books approach which Rex and Anakin love to play into. Cody is too the books just like 212th, he's a hard ass but his battalion kicks ass and is deployed everywhere because of how damn good it is. Doom is not a person I don't think he even says anything in all of the CLone wars. DU carries that same distinct lack of any personality. DU doesn't have a special structure like 21st because it is a nothing battalion. You can't do whatever you want because then it's not even DU at that point. They are a nameless battalion with no reason to exist in the server. If we want unique groups we shouldn't be looking for the most bland and vanilla battalions to expand upon? How would you even expand upon DU because it is so much of nothing. Even it's sub unit was made up. You people keep saying there is another solution but I am not seeing it. We already know wipes and better leaders haven't worked. So what now? DU can't be turned into something better because it doesn't have anything to build off of. So please suggest any way to improve it

+1 remove DU

It feels as though members of this server are so incredibly short sighted some times. This removal could very well be any battalion, it's just awfully convenient that DU is in such a poor state that many consider them for removal. There are some legitimate reasons for their removal as explained by @Marveland @Comics. In some ways yes, they are fundamentally flawed. However, for those speaking solely off activity and recent times, I want you to consider this being your battalion. Rancor for weeks, just a few months ago, had around 7 active members, 501st has had some of the most fluctuating member count over the servers history, 21st had to be wiped at one point due to the sheer structural issues within it. Now this isn't a dig at these battalions, I am merely trying to put into context of this hive mindset of "REMOVE CUZ BAD", and how it is incredibly frustrating to those who have devoted time and resources to this battalion. I'll abstain from voting for now.

easy +1 #fakesubunit

-1 There is no saying the DU members would stay on the server if they are removed, and instead hurting the player population even more.

+1 - It's time to wake up to the reality that the DU's time has come. The artificial life trying to be pumped into it with 1-1 Transfers across the board is just a facade and will eventually fizzle out. DU has been in this state multiple times and it's a sign that its time to move on before resources are invested into redoing models, etc.

ok

For the people asking to replace DU with another battalion this is not what the suggestion is about. That wouldn't solve anything. Yeah there might be battalions that could potentially add something new to the server but at the end of the day the core problem is the sheer amount of battalions we currently have not whether one battalion has cooler lore than the other. It's about a core issue with the server because of all these different battalions that causes these cycles where this battalion is doing very well, these 2 battalions are doing alright, these 3 are in meh states, and these 2 are performing very poorly. It's almost always DU in that last category majority of the time. I don't understand why this cycle should be allowed to continue. Less battalions would open up the ability for more battalions to be in better states at the same time rather than some of them constantly struggling until old people come back or High Command steps in. Also Don't respond if you have nothing to add goober

-1 I use to be in favor of removing battalions(ie: Wipe Rancor and keep just the commanders and have them run the trainings), but I don’t think it’s the same with DU. Yes, there are people that could do there job, but that’s the same with every battalion. You could use that excuse for everyone, and we’d get no where. DU just needs to get the ball rolling and will be back on its feet, I don’t think it’s necessary to remove them. If, however, nothing changes and there is no hope for it, then yea I’d suggest removing it, but until then let’s try and fix it instead of removing it

Alright resident Dooms Unit Founder Dennis here. So as we can all expect -1 dumb suggestion 1. Removing battalions to "add something" is a dumb theory come to the table with something you want added then, battalion faction etc. Don't just start screaming bloody murder battalion dead cuz its dealing with low numbers. Everyone is like this because high command has taken such a public front in this. The same suggestion could have been posted for Rancor, or 41st, or 21st, 104th whoever is "dead" at the time. It just happens to be Dooms Unit right now, marvel you of anyone should know battalions come and go and only 501st and 212th and 1 or 2 others really pop off and do well while one is dead and the others struggle to fight for the middle of the pack. 2. "Too many battalions" is a lame excuse for what is considerably a lower player pop currently. We struggle to retain players and gain new ones that stay. GMOD is a old as balls game and not a lot of people want to play it or come to it. While we do get CT's and new players they have a lot of options to choose from and that's not a bad thing. Having a variety isn't bad, yes some things wont be as popular but you still have people who don't want to run in a main stream battalion. 3. Wipe, BCMD apply whatever it wont truly fix the issue that doing these things only helps for a short while. Battalions do well when they have strong leadership that can help set up the future. When i came back as doom that is what I did, three pretty successful doom terms for the most part, what has really taken a toll on the battalion is people having IRL issues and having to take a step back. TLDR: this is such a knee jerk reaction to a long standing problem the server has faced since i joined back in 2018 of battalions being active and some being not, its just not DU's "time right now" they have their moments and so do other battalions. The problem isn't the amount of battalions its, keeping players and not forcing them out because we don't "like them" or trying to get CT's / new recruits to come back. That is where the key lies in the success of the server. Not in removing battalions cuz they are having a hard time and people have to focus on their real lives. Its time for the community to not sit here and push for removal but to take this as an opportunity to learn, help grow the community and expand their knowledge and break the clique they always run in. Try something new enjoy different aspects of the server and not push to remove unique things from the server after one BCMD application gets denied.

Battalion is always struggling, no matter what +1

The point of view of an average Bosnian +1.

-1 Just wait until summer

+1, it’s unfortunate this had to happen but if you ask me, it’s not going to get better. With the state it’s In, DU is holding on to dear life. Anyone who is going to go for BCMD is most likely going to be shot down because of the whole 1-1 transfer up to XO going on right now and For the people coming in to help they are “trying to make ice cream out of poop”. Not a dig at anyone trying to go help. I actually respect and admire people who dropped their former battalions to go help. It’s just really thinking about it. It’s the right choice.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, that will last for about 2 weeks. it always does

You're considering DU in the short term. This is a defence you could give for any battalion low on numbers, that's why it's not the real issue with DU. DU isn't a battalion you can fix, replace , or repair. It is a bad idea that has snowballed into a beloved battalion. It looks cool and it sounds cool but it isn't special. it doesn't serve a role or hold a place that makes it reasonable to continue the existence of. DU doesn't have a job, we aren't asking for a different DU we're asking for no DU and no replacement, at least not a replacement for DU's role. DU has a lot of people in it and has a lot of people who care about it but that isn't enough to keep it going(91st, 327th, 187th, RM, 38th, Senate Commando, Covert Ops). DU has not got enough lore to make it fun to interact with like 212th or 501st, it doesn't hold special RP that makes it fun unlike CG, it doesn't have a special structural makeup which makes it unique like RANCOR or 21st, and it doesn't have a special role which is interesting like 104th or 41st. It truly is a nothing battalion that doesn't really justify it's existence beyond the fact it exists. This circular logic would mean it would never make sense to remove anything unless it was an enormous detriment to the server like the CIS. But then we'd be stuck with things like Grey Jedi or Naval Jedi who are sort of pointless entities who don't really hold any role but are kept around because it makes some people happy. DU is pretty much the only battalion in which we don't really have a special reason to keep them beyond them being a battalion with members. All others (a few may struggle) quite firmly justify there position as I've already stated. So why doesn't DU have to do the same thing?

+1 theres many other batallions to potentially replace it with, 327th, 187th, 91st, etc who have more lore

+1 lmao i was joking

Continuing on why I'm +1ing is that I'd rather have another battalion other than DU make a reappearance. At the current state of DU its basically rebuilding from the ground up and overall this is a very good chance to bring back other battalions that have disappeared from the server. Personally I really love the 91st and 327th and I wish to see them again.

Metro you out of anyone knows that every battalion faces these problems, every single one at this point your advocating removing any battalion that goes into a slump. 104th has been in this state multiple times before, after a few BCMD’s have left. 41st has had much worse times and no one came calling for their head. 501st and 212th have their moments as well. im not even saying these are chronic issues that they have like 91st or 327th had. This issue only arose after an untimely departure or a solid bcmd and an XO who wasn’t ready yet. It’s been at most 2 weeks. If we let rancor sit and struggle for over a year then DU should get more than 2 weeks.

-1, I've seen 21st inactive af yet no post to remove them. Yes, we struggle whenever we have no BCMD or a bad one like every other battalion. A lot of people resigned from CG not too long ago yet I have seen no post to remove them.

-1 I was the number 1 advocate to get DU added to this server. I fought hard along many others. You guys already removed 187th why remove another battalion? bruh remove 501st the battalion with the least amount of lore?? But seriously dont remove it.