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21st Galactic Marines. Not 21st Subunit Battalion -1

-1 going to be honest I think 21st needs to focus on their current sub units and I don't think 21st needs a 5th sub unit

-1 Jet's Unit IS Spec Ops. That was the rationalization behind saving SO in the first place. Their troopers looked like Jet's Unit, but black and red and Jet's Unit served under Mundi, so their idea was that SO must be 21st. No offense, but you guys are asking way too much with the current state of Galactic Marines and 21st as a whole.

"We're not renaming Shadow Company." -Yes you are. "everyone always get confused with "whats the point of shadow company they don't have their own jobs!" -It doesn't help when there are at max 2 active SC at one time, hence why me and Slak worked on an actual tryout to make it not a inactive mess "they only wanna listen to one person and be delusional and lunatic instead of actually seeing OUR issues in the battalion." -Aren't you only wanting to listen to one person rather than listening to all the feedback people are putting in? "With this new unit will come new armor (models) for 21st" -Have you contacted a modeler? Talked to anyone that deals with models? Last I heard (when I was still in the bat) we never got our models we were owed after winning BvB Season 2 "Jets Unit was actually seen in 3 episodes of the clone wars." -Yeah, that's called SO. That is what everyone calls Jet's Unit. "Jets Unit would Give the LORE Character Commander Jet his LORE Accuracy." -Okay? You want lore? Get a Commander Jet Job. Done. There's lore. "It would give others in Spec Ops as a whole something cool to look forward to." -This was the point of SC, what stops Jet's Unit from being just as dead? New models (that probably won't come in the first place) only attract people for so long, and I guarantee that they won't give Jet's Unit both Cloaks and an extra piece of equipment on top of branch loadouts. "You don't see what happens behind closed doors in the battalion" - Considering how previous members literally shut down a previous iteration of this idea, the fact that you waited for them to leave the battalion before posting the idea again is some shady shit "Therefor not all of you understand the struggles in SO and the Drama with SC." -Oh trust me, I know, and you should know it very well yourself. "I'm tired of being shitted on for anything I post. I guarantee if Oxen put up the suggestion that it would get more +1's than mine would." -Yeah, it would, cause people like and trust Oxen. "all I get out of it is just massive disrespect." -I swear, I hear this phrase every single time someone posts a thing and gets feedback on it they don't like. I wanna do a callback to a conversation me and you had back when you joined SO. We talked a lot about ARF and ARC, professionalism, that type of thing. But the main thing, was respect. There were two things I know for a fact I talked with you about, although it moreso applied to some NCOs at the time of the conversation. The first, is that you don't need to be an officer to get respect. Self explanatory. The second though, apparently not. The second is that respect is never deserved, never given, but always earned. Earn respect, and you'll get respect.

-1 Nah mate, this is the exact thing that I was against when in SO. First and foremost: You already have KU, SO, and SC (which SC is now empty save for legacy members) and ARC is really the main job people in SO go for, since ARF is decent but doesn't give much for RP other than Recon, and Medics are, well, medics. Secondly, why? Why do you NEED Jet's unit? Jet's unit WAS SO. Take care of SO and SC and there is literally no reason for a Jet's unit. If you replace an empty branch, what you get is a new empty branch. Finally, making Jet an named ARC Job. Did you contact Rancor about this? Changes to ARC jobs like that should be discussed, just like the old concerns with the KU Assault trooper back when they wanted to require ARC training for it.

Just an Idea. Just update the Post to change the name and Add the Model as another Body Grouper. From me reading it, it seems like another sub unit while 21st already has two. Which is more then anyone else. Just keep in mind how it looks in your head compared to others reading. Im down for new stuff but it seems like bothsides are not willing to compromise. No one is trying to disrespect or atleast I hope so but keep an open mind for reasons outside of your Sub Unit.

+1 Butters is correct. The idea is to mirror KU in a way. The legacy and history of SO was to always have unofficial SC company. If we are to put the ARC/ARF troopers into a JET UNIT job, this will allow us the ability to honor the server's history and lore. Additionally, there will be NO flame troopers, but a different load out than that of SO. So we are asking to create a Commander JET model and role, 3 ARC and 5 ARF troopers will be moved from SO to SC f4 jobs under the 21st (mirror of Keller Units) Basically, Blackout will be the commanding officer for SO/JU Jet will be the commander of Jet Unit. Keller is commander officer for Kellers unit. Commander Bacara would be the commanding officer overall all 21st. - SO/JU/GM/KU/NC. SC-ARC as commando size squad would support KU as the ARF (force) would support GM operations.

Jesus this is a cluster fuck. Play nice everyone and read things closely. I’ve read atleast 5 replies that held the same information. And if you’re going to argue, take it to DM’s or this shit won’t even be considered.

-1 the 21st is already divided enough as it is, they have KU, SO, GM, and NC. This is highly unnecessary and just adds more models to the server.

For the sake of not getting this getting locked. @Haris and @Slak take a second to chill. You both are not representing yourselves as adults. This is clearly something you both care about. But please chill out.

-1 for new jobs. Why not just make a request for the model so you can swap between it for desert combat, similar to how GM has desert and forest camo? Seems like it would be easier to implement and just have it as an internal thing.

-1 I mean the models look like the SO Pilot model. There is no reason to add Jets unit, just another extra unit that 21sst doesn't need in my opinion

"Jet's Unit ARF would support the GM with stealth, recon, assassinations, and rescue of VIPs" Soooooo....You mean the stuff that SO currently does like daily basis? I don't see the point of this being done other than making SO's numbers even worse like they were previously which was Kurt putting his hands up and shrugging because nobody saw the point of it. Also: Much like the overall state of the server, We should not be adding subunits/battalions/factions because we don't have count to support it. -1

-1 This does not seem like something the 21st should be focused on in its current state. I’m all for the lore part but maybe in the future. Tbf y’all already have more than every other battalion bedsides 212th.

-1, I can only see this damaging your battalion as a whole and would like to see more in work done to promote GM within the 21st before adding an additional sub unit. I'd like to also state this seems to be an unnecessary bump and reminds me of the Parjai model suggestion which is unneeded and assumed to be denied. I do not dislike the idea of recalling your "Shadow Company" into "Jet Squad" but to ask for additional models seem a little much at the current status.

Dude seriously? Did you read what I said and the idea behind it. Let me say this again in a different way. First, we remove the ARC and ARF troopers from the SO whitelist/role spot. We take one of those 10 slots and make it Commander JET. We than move 3 of the 9 spots to a new sub unit as Jet's Unit ARC trooper. We also move 5 of the remaining 6 slots to Jet's Unit ARF Trooper. That will leave 1 slot, in which is put back into SO as a Marksman Role for sniper capability. We also will remove the 5 medical spots and put them into the Marksman Role making a total of NO CHANGES to the overall current whitelist jobs for SO. How this would work: - GM is an EOD spec battalion. WE have boarding, blowing stuff up and creating a beachhead for the attack and defending battalions. - Jet's Unit ARF would support the GM with stealth, recon, assassinations, and rescue of VIPs - KU would remain elite to do jobs that requires a Commando size element TEAM or SQUAD - Jet's Unit ARC (commando's) would support KU with stealth, recon, assassinations, and rescue of VIPs - SPEC OPS would be supporting GM troopers by being put into positions to provide support and cover against stealth enemies, cover down potential sniper positions and adding a force multiplier of unknown (unseen) firepower until it is too late.

This mean 21st gonna get flame troopers then? It is a small amount of lore, but hey it's there and man do roasted bugs sound good. +1