Give Ghost Company Commander Westar

Trall · July 5, 2018

Name:212th GCL ARC Major Crys

Suggestion:Add Westar too GC Commander model

Implementation:Adding the weapon

Lore:No lore but standard GC ARC has the weapon

Workshop content if applicable:
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Job: Ghost Company ARC

Model: N/A

Weapons: Westar-M5

Other: N/A

Fizzik · July 5, 2018

-1. The job is Ghost Company Commander, not Ghost Company ARC.

Nade Jones · July 5, 2018

+1

Edited July 5, 2018 by Nade Jones

Spec · July 5, 2018

+1, almost every single GC commander as complained about this

Arroyo · July 5, 2018

14 minutes ago, Fizzik said:

-1. The job is Ghost Company Commander, not Ghost Company ARC.

The ghost company commander is arc....

+1 Ghost Company Commander is arc in which he needs the westar

Edited July 5, 2018 by Arroyo

Conrad · July 6, 2018

+1 ghost company commander has the fin. He is arc.

Striker · July 6, 2018

+1, GC Commander is ARC.

Fizzik · July 6, 2018

If you guys promise to make it a requirement that GCC be ARC trained, I +1.

EDIT: I take it back. The battalion could just change the rule in the future and the GCC job would get all the benefits without the work. -1

Edited July 7, 2018 by Fizzik

J.Jefferson · July 6, 2018

-1

Edited July 7, 2018 by J.Jefferson

~~Spooky~~ · July 6, 2018

+1

Korm · July 6, 2018

Personal Opinion: They all died early, so never got to tell if they were ARC troopers.

Tester Opinion: Same as personal.

Pros: None

Cons: doesn't follow the "Loose" lore we're tryna go for.

-1

TrijiM · July 6, 2018

+1

CBlake · July 6, 2018

7 hours ago, Fizzik said:

-1. The job is Ghost Company Commander, not Ghost Company ARC.

LOL the GCL HAS to be ARC have you NOT seen the model? its an A R C model obviously its a requirment

Ruzom GCL ARC trained
Perri GCL ARC Trained
Nade GCL ARC Trained
Trall GCL ARC Trained

1 hour ago, Korm said:

Personal Opinion: They all died early, so never got to tell if they were ARC troopers.

Tester Opinion: Same as personal.

Pros: None

Cons: doesn't follow the "Loose" lore we're tryna go for.

-1

what does that have to do with anything?

Trall · July 6, 2018

2 hours ago, Korm said:

Personal Opinion: They all died early, so never got to tell if they were ARC troopers.

Tester Opinion: Same as personal.

Pros: None

Cons: doesn't follow the "Loose" lore we're tryna go for.

-1

And? It’s an ARC job..

Trall · July 6, 2018

3 hours ago, Fizzik said:

If you guys promise to make it a requirement that GCC be ARC trained, I +1.

Allready is a requirement

Korm · July 6, 2018

Lemme re-read my GC lore and I'll probably fix this.

Faded · July 6, 2018

-1

Life- · July 6, 2018

13 hours ago, Fizzik said:

-1. The job is Ghost Company Commander, not Ghost Company ARC.

-1

Zyner · July 6, 2018

Some people are bringing up how the model is ARC... Considering the model is 99% fiction that shouldn't matter. Your bodygrouper/model does not dictate what you get.

Alec · July 6, 2018

-1 GC are not ARC troopers even if you decide you need the training for it

Arroyo · July 6, 2018

34 minutes ago, Alec said:

-1 GC are not ARC troopers even if you decide you need the training for it

Omg I don’t think you guys understand that THE COMMANDER IS ARC.

He got arc trained is a requirement!

the guy who gets commander needs to be arc

understand!!!

Taur · July 6, 2018

-1 Not really ARC

Trall · July 6, 2018

57 minutes ago, Taur said:

-1 Not really ARC

It’s an ARC trooper..

Trall · July 6, 2018

1 hour ago, Alec said:

-1 GC are not ARC troopers even if you decide you need the training for it

I never said they were the GC ARC trooper allready gets it the commander should as well

Trall · July 6, 2018

1 hour ago, Zyner said:

Some people are bringing up how the model is ARC... Considering the model is 99% fiction that shouldn't matter. Your bodygrouper/model does not dictate what you get.

It’s an ARC trooper the leader has too be an ARC trooper other ARC jobs get it it’s a fix basically

Zyner · July 6, 2018

1 minute ago, Trall said:

It’s an ARC trooper the leader has too be an ARC trooper other ARC jobs get it it’s a fix basically

But people are bringing up GC was not ARC. If thar is true, just cause you require them to have ARC training doesn't grant them an ARC set-up. As an example, I used to require Wolfpack named characters to have ARC training but never requested ARC set-ups. While that's just me I agree that if GC was not ARC in lore then they don't get ARC in-game just because you require/want it.

-1 until proven GC was ARC in lore.

Trall · July 6, 2018

7 minutes ago, Zyner said:

But people are bringing up GC was not ARC. If thar is true, just cause you require them to have ARC training doesn't grant them an ARC set-up. As an example, I used to require Wolfpack named characters to have ARC training but never requested ARC set-ups. While that's just me I agree that if GC was not ARC in lore then they don't get ARC in-game just because you require/want it.

-1 until proven GC was ARC in lore.

And? Many people were not ARC in lore

Zyner · July 6, 2018

9 minutes ago, Trall said:

And? Many people were not ARC in lore

Yes, but in the particular case of GC is how little lore they have. Where do we draw the line of what you get based on lore vs what you want?

Trall · July 6, 2018

6 minutes ago, Zyner said:

Yes, but in the particular case of GC is how little lore they have. Where do we draw the line of what you get based on lore vs what you want?

We allready have ARC it’s just one gun added too an ARC job

CBlake · July 6, 2018

lol
"gc wasnt arc"
"its not lore"

ok retards.... the models are not lore your argument is invalid

also
Why are we pushing this lore shit on a w e a p o n request

on an A R C model
an A d v a n c e d R e c o n C o m m a n d o model

Edited July 6, 2018 by CBlake

Arroyo · July 6, 2018

I’m confused when was the server completely lore

Nade Jones · July 6, 2018

Heres my perspective the server is inconsistent with Lore I mean Dooms Unit has ARC troopers, keeping that in mind ARC and GC have always been together the past 3 GCL have also been the ARCL, its a requirement at this point.

In this situation its clear that this is a "Functionality > Lore" scenario. Although I do remember reading somewhere that Ghost Company was referred to as a Recon Company, Being lead personally by a Marshal Commander you'd assume ARC would be alongside the ranks.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Nade Jones

Zyner · July 6, 2018

4 hours ago, CBlake said:

ok retards....

K.

J.Jefferson · July 6, 2018

5 hours ago, CBlake said:

lol
"gc wasnt arc"
"its not lore"

ok retards.... the models are not lore your argument is invalid

also
Why are we pushing this lore shit on a w e a p o n request

on an A R C model
an A d v a n c e d R e c o n C o m m a n d o model

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ghost_Company 🤔

Also, it doesn't matter if they are an ARC model. They are still not ARC troopers in lore.

Edited July 6, 2018 by J.Jefferson

Praydoh · July 6, 2018

5 hours ago, CBlake said:

ok retards

no cursing. im trying to fap

Bazoo · July 6, 2018

-1, why ?

Alec · July 6, 2018

Just now, Bazoo said:

-1, why ?

ThEy HaVe ThE aRc MoDeL sO tHeY aRe ArC

Grief · July 6, 2018

-1 there is no point to this unless they are ARC which they are not.

Grief · July 6, 2018

2 minutes ago, Alec said:

ThEy HaVe ThE aRc MoDeL sO tHeY aRe ArC

hElL yEaH dUdE

Bazoo · July 6, 2018

Just now, Alec said:

ThEy HaVe ThE aRc MoDeL sO tHeY aRe ArC

LMAO, but for real tho, It makes no sens this model having westar, hello ? Ghost Company Leader isnt an ARC trooper, even if its required it doesnt mean you should have it. It's like me saying Foxtrot REQUIRE ARC training and I want us to have westar because we are RC and lets just assume because RC were elite they were also ARC troopers. Doesnt make much sens. Thats just how I see it

Alec · July 6, 2018

1 minute ago, Bazoo said:

LMAO, but for real tho, It makes no sens this model having westar, hello ? Ghost Company Leader isnt an ARC trooper, even if its required it doesnt mean you should have it. It's like me saying Foxtrot REQUIRE ARC training and I want us to have westar because we are RC and lets just assume because RC were elite they were also ARC troopers. Doesnt make much sens. Thats just how I see it

Change 104th to require ARC training, DO we all get westars

Bazoo · July 6, 2018

1 minute ago, Alec said:

Change 104th to require ARC training, DO we all get westars

I mean it just make sens, there is no lore to back it up but who cares right ?

Alec · July 6, 2018

Just now, Bazoo said:

I mean it just make sens, there is no lore to back it up but who cares right ?

Yea

MrNoe · July 6, 2018

-1

Perri · July 6, 2018

+1. Still a ARC Model, Currently a requirement for GCL to be ARC Trained. They did their do's with going through the ARC Program,they should get a Westar like the rest of the ARC troopers.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Perri

CBlake · July 7, 2018

8 hours ago, J.Jefferson said:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ghost_Company 🤔

Also, it doesn't matter if they are an ARC model. They are still not ARC troopers in lore.

yet they have an ARC trooper model that has a westar the GCC is an ARC model we required ARC for that reason. so like Perri said they did the training they completed that they also got GCC after getting ARC legit give them what they deserve also for any further posts to me please stop throwing lore in my face because tbh this server isn't lore you aren't lore im not lore its called writing in the lore that isn't there. not trying to cause a fight just saying your lore shit is irrelevant to me.

Zyner · July 7, 2018

Choosing to ignore points being brought up is not a good way to go about server suggestions.

Leaving lore aside, as you choose, that still leaves that model =/= job.

As the example for the last suggestion where they wanted to give all Commanders DC-17s because they were either higher ups or had the bodygroupers.

Bodygrouper =/= Getting it in-game. Ex. Just because you have DC-17 holsters doesn't justify giving you DC-17s to spawn with, you need more reason to back it up.

The models were made with no background detail, considering GC just looked like regular 212th. They are fiction in looks, so we can't take their looks as value nor what they should receive based on it.

You choose to make GC require ARC, that's fine. You have a GC ARC T rooper, alright, may as well get the ARC set-up for the GC ARC Trooper.

GCC requires ARC? That's cool too but you want the ARC set up too? Well, he's not an ARC Trooper, you just require that per choice of the Battalion.

The model is ARC? Well, the model is literally made up. By that logic, when someone gets their models re-worked they can ask all models have a Medkit and ask all their jobs had Medkits - is that not broken? Sure, the example is extensive but you get at where we're going.

Originally, we were just bringing up our points but there's been so much back and forth talking that things just continue to escalate.

This is my opinion, my -1 stands and will stay solid considering the biggest excuse as to why it's ARC is that it's an ARC model on a custom made model.

EDIT:

10 minutes ago, Maymays said:

to you all -1'ing because it's not "ARC" you all are fucking uneducated. to be in GC, you have to be ARC. LOL. Its like a 3 day requirement to get arc training or something, so why, of ALL PEOPLE, would the COMMANDER not be arc trained. thinking that is fucking retarded lol.

+1

In lore they weren't pumpkin boys either, soooooooooooo.

See, same argument again. It has moved up that we're no longer going against it because you require to have ARC but rather that the ARC model is custom made with little to no background to go off on. For all we know the modeler made him ARC for the hell of it; so in our view it doesn't justify it getting ARC benefits. Requring ARC for positions is fine, that still doesn't mean you get the benefits of an ARC loadout unless it's an acual ARC job (as represented by the server/Devs, not the Battalion itself).

Fizzik · July 7, 2018

The Regimental skins have ARC models, yet, they don't have the benefits and some of the regimentals don't have ARC training. Same rule applies for GCC.

CBlake · July 7, 2018

40 minutes ago, Fizzik said:

The Regimental skins have ARC models, yet, they don't have the benefits and some of the regimentals don't have ARC training. Same rule applies for GCC.

see atleast someone makes a good argument.

50 minutes ago, Zyner said:

Choosing to ignore points being brought up is not a good way to go about server suggestions.

Leaving lore aside, as you choose, that still leaves that model =/= job.

As the example for the last suggestion where they wanted to give all Commanders DC-17s because they were either higher ups or had the bodygroupers.

Bodygrouper =/= Getting it in-game. Ex. Just because you have DC-17 holsters doesn't justify giving you DC-17s to spawn with, you need more reason to back it up.

The models were made with no background detail, considering GC just looked like regular 212th. They are fiction in looks, so we can't take their looks as value nor what they should receive based on it.

You choose to make GC require ARC, that's fine. You have a GC ARC T rooper, alright, may as well get the ARC set-up for the GC ARC Trooper.

GCC requires ARC? That's cool too but you want the ARC set up too? Well, he's not an ARC Trooper, you just require that per choice of the Battalion.

The model is ARC? Well, the model is literally made up. By that logic, when someone gets their models re-worked they can ask all models have a Medkit and ask all their jobs had Medkits - is that not broken? Sure, the example is extensive but you get at where we're going.

Originally, we were just bringing up our points but there's been so much back and forth talking that things just continue to escalate.

This is my opinion, my -1 stands and will stay solid considering the biggest excuse as to why it's ARC is that it's an ARC model on a custom made model.

EDIT:

See, same argument again. It has moved up that we're no longer going against it because you require to have ARC but rather that the ARC model is custom made with little to no background to go off on. For all we know the modeler made him ARC for the hell of it; so in our view it doesn't justify it getting ARC benefits. Requring ARC for positions is fine, that still doesn't mean you get the benefits of an ARC loadout unless it's an acual ARC job (as represented by the server/Devs, not the Battalion itself).

to clarify i havent voted bc when i made a suggest for new GC models and also suggested the removal of said Commander job for this reason only. @Trall would you be willing to change or create another suggestion or just void, and i will talk to Gideon/Kyle about removing the job completely since tbh this isn't gonna go your way. just trying to help you out

Trall · July 7, 2018

It was a fucking gun a single gun why is this such an issue jesus

Trall · July 7, 2018

I would just like too say many jobs are added not for lore but for gameplay for example,

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Company

I dont see ARF or ARC therefore Green Company shouldn't even have any

Edited July 7, 2018 by Trall
nevermind for my self soem fuel

Perri · July 7, 2018

19 hours ago, J.Jefferson said:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ghost_Company 🤔

Also, it doesn't matter if they are an ARC model. They are still not ARC troopers in lore.

Neither is Green Company. Yet they have a ARC Trooper job?

Bazoo · July 7, 2018

Alright 212th, hear me out, you want your GCC to have a westar cuz you made him require ARC training, fine, but then lower your ARC trooper to 4 and not 5 since the GCC will become a ARC trooper, EVERY battalion has a max of 5 arc trooper, so you wont be special by having 6 of them.

Fizzik · July 7, 2018

32 minutes ago, Bazoo said:

Alright 212th, hear me out, you want your GCC to have a westar cuz you made him require ARC training, fine, but then lower your ARC trooper to 4 and not 5 since the GCC will become a ARC trooper, EVERY battalion has a max of 5 arc trooper, so you wont be special by having 6 of them.

Max of 10*

South is not a trap · July 7, 2018

-1

Models =/= Loadout

The model is clearly ARC, yes? We can all agree that it looks like an ARC trooper. And yes, we all can agree that the GCL has to be ARC trained, butttt

The GCL is NOT an ARC trooper, by definition of the job, you are simply the GCL, not an ARC trooper.

If you can prove in any way, shape or form, that the GCL was confirmed an ARC trooper BY LORE

I might change my opinion.

I'm not a trap

-South

Trall · July 8, 2018

17 hours ago, Fizzik said:

Max of 10*

It's required to be ARC to be the GCL already

Fizzik · July 8, 2018

5 hours ago, Trall said:

It's required to be ARC to be the GCL already

I was replying to Bazoo saying you only got 5 ARC.

Bazoo · July 8, 2018

8 hours ago, Fizzik said:

I was replying to Bazoo saying you only got 5 ARC.

wait they have 10 ARC spot ?

Arroyo · July 8, 2018

9 minutes ago, Bazoo said:

wait they have 10 ARC spot ?

Ummmmmmmmmmm... 😂

Fizzik · July 9, 2018

35 minutes ago, Bazoo said:

wait they have 10 ARC spot ?

Ya they've always had 10.

Bazoo · July 9, 2018

5 minutes ago, Fizzik said:

Ya they've always had 10.

yea I didnt know ARC troopers were 10 now, I tought it was still 5 like back in the day

Fizzik · July 9, 2018

6 minutes ago, Bazoo said:

yea I didnt know ARC troopers were 10 now, I tought it was still 5 like back in the day

Nah was 10.

Striker · July 9, 2018

Ok so going through this now and thinking about it for a bit I think I am going to have to change my vote to a -1, if RANCOR does not consider this an ARC job then it can't be an ARC job. My fix to this problem is to speak to Gideon and Kyle about getting a special bodygroup added to the GC ARC job and trooper job (Ex. 2 different looking pouldrons that would be worn by regular GC and the other only by the GCL, 1 with orange on one side and black on the other and other with orange on both sides) that would make them stand out from the rest of the troopers and make it so that people could easily tell who is the GCL and then remove the GCC job for something else (Was thinking it should be a GC support job but different story for a different date). At the end of the day this would save the time of remaking the GCC model and get us something new while making it possible for the GCL to be either a regular GC or an ARC (Or whatever job we might choose to replace it with).

212th GCO ARCL Commander Reed/Striker

Esitt · July 9, 2018

I agree with @Fizzik and @Striker if they both say that the GC Commander job isn't an ARC Job its true. It isn't an ARC job so it will not be getting ARC Weapons. To all of you who say "Well you have to have ARC training to be him!" That doesn't matter, all the BCMD's went through ARC training and they dont have ARC Weapons. Stawp.

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