Senate Commandos, should they really be here?

[Alexz]

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Name: 41st GC CPT Alexz

Suggestion: Remove Senate commandos for the time being. Look I know they do a lot to help Senators and RP, but the Senators are never on. Like @Dargon said CG can do better and can do everything SC can do. Also they just take up player slots from other battalions and clearing them up will give boosts to other groups.  Simply they aren't needed right now and it's not even a battalion, all it is a side-group and it's not very active. I talked to CG and Dargon (on the forums) and both seem to be okay and in some cases in favor of removal. I feel they can be good later, but for now they don't do much and kind of are just placeholders. Feel free to give me feedback, but in my opinion from all the different groups I've talked to, I feel we should just let CG do their thing again and have power over VIP's. CG is more than capable of doing this and possibly could even later get a sub-branch dedicated to protecting people. 

Implementation:Remove Senate Commandos (for now)

Remove: All SC classes

@Scribbles - thanks for the contribution and help

@Dargon - thank you for the blessing and semi-approval that they shouldn't exist

Edited April 5, 2018 by BigBurner

[ASVO]

-1

[Scribbles]

At the moment, Senate commandos are kinda in a hard situation. 

Honestly there can just be a branch of CG to be the Guard class.

We have models for that. +1 

 

As much as i love The SC.  CG Can work on doing the same things aswell. (Sorry dargon, i edited it, i totally mis-thought <3)

 

(Also, if you want to reply to me, i want your honest opinion. If SC Gets removed, would anyone be opposed to having Guard models for CG for guarding senators completely, IMO they're pretty ugly but its better than Nothing)

Edited April 5, 2018 by Scribbles

[Deadly]

Neutral. SC isn't the problem in my opinion, senators are RARELY on for them to actually be doing anything. But I'm neutral because I do see that they don't have much to do, I just don't feel it's the fault of the SC, but unfortunately they will probably get removed for it anyways.

 

Fix the Senators' activity instead in my opinion.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Deadly

[Guest]

+1

CG knows the job all SC is for is to protect Sentors nothing else CG can already do that

[Kronez]

+1 the senate commandos are kind if useless because senators are never on 

[Panzergrenadier765]

+1

[Rocketpackgolem]

+1 really don't see the need to keep them. Fun while it lasted boyos

[Mike]

-1

[Andrews]

+1

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Scribbles said:

At the moment, Senate commandos are a mess right now. 

Honestly there can just be a branch of CG to be the Guard class.

We have models for that. +1

 

As much as i love The SC. It cant hold itself together. Not with the SC wipe that Dargon did. 

Well they're not a mess. Very rude.

You're fucking insane if you think SC can't "hold itself together."

Senate Commandos is actually over 20 members right now.

 

My opinion is that Senate Commandos can do the job, but there's no point to have them because our only job is to protect a Senator. CG have other stuff to do, which will keep them occupied while no Senators are on, where as SC just have the job of protecting Senators.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Dargon

[Alexz]

Just now, Dargon said:

Well they're not a mess. Very rude.

You're fucking insane if you think SC can't "hold itself together."

Senate Commandos is actually over 20 members right now.

But you're still Okay with them being removed like you said earlier?

[J.Jefferson]

+1 They are pointless.

[Scribbles]

2 minutes ago, Dargon said:

Well they're not a mess. Very rude.

You're fucking insane if you think SC can't "hold itself together."

Senate Commandos is actually over 20 members right now.

Yea, sorry about that. I may have mis-thought about that.  (Editted)

 

Edited April 5, 2018 by Scribbles

[Bbstine]

I'm biased, I love my Senate Commandos, and I'm sorry you don't think they're good.

But imma fat -1 this because i doubt cg will let me hang people.

[Bbstine]

24 minutes ago, BigBurner said:

Senators are never on.

also, im on a pretty good majority of the time, don't say all the senators. you should say every senator but meena tills.

[Blaze]

+1 most senators are hardly on the ship so atm they are useless

Edited April 5, 2018 by Blaze

[Tybo]

+1

[Kip]

-1 Give em some more time

[Alexz]

1 minute ago, Kip said:

-1 Give em some more time

They had multiple months and they would be better being absorbed by CG for the bulk of the work they do. CG did it before and they should do it after.

[Alexz]

I would also like to add their only job is guard Senators and if there are no senators on, they are useless. That's why cg should take over their role because CG have other duties and aren't a 1 trick job. They are too specified and feel more like an Event Job then a real role.

[Spec]

-1. In my personal opinion its not the Senate commandos fault for being inactive, its the senators. Many of the senators don't get on at all. Also another point is that as a senate commando they can also RP with naval and High command. So just protecting senators isn't here only job. I dont want them to be removed, I want to see improvements in them and maybe more activity with the senators. 

[Alexz]

1 minute ago, Spec said:

-1. In my personal opinion its not the Senate commandos fault for being inactive, its the senators. Many of the senators don't get on at all. Also another point is that as a senate commando they can also RP with naval and High command. So just protecting senators isn't here only job. I dont want them to be removed, I want to see improvements in them and maybe more activity with the senators. 

1. No one said they were inactive and 2. They don't RP with naval, they have one job and it's to guard Senators. CG is in charge of guarding Nava and Senate Commandos have nothing to do with naval. Their only job is to guard senators and look what that does. Them only having one job makes their whole point useless in retrospect if their one job is never needed

[Spec]

Just adding on, why cant they monitor senator activity? I know people who would give up there clone to be a full time senator. This will help senators actually get on and if they aren't active just simply remove them and get someone like i said who would be super active on there senator. no disrespect to the senators. 

Edited April 5, 2018 by Spec

[Spec]

3 minutes ago, AlextheConqustidor said:

1. No one said they were inactive and 2. They don't RP with naval, they have one job and it's to guard Senators. CG is in charge of guarding Nava and Senate Commandos have nothing to do with naval. Their only job is to guard senators and look what that does. Them only having one job makes their whole point useless in retrospect if their one job is never needed

There allowed to if no senators are awake. Ive asked and with permission they can. 

 

[Alexz]

2 minutes ago, Spec said:

There allowed to if no senators are awake. Ive asked and with permission they can. 

 

See they shouldn't though because once again they are doing what CG is here for. They are direct competition for CG and their only puppies is CG Lite. CG has a far better purpose and should be the only ones guarding naval because there is no reason A "Senate Commano" should be guarding anyone but Senators. They have only one job and one purpose and the current outlook for them is pretty bleak TBH.

[Spec]

3 minutes ago, AlextheConqustidor said:

See they shouldn't though because once again they are doing what CG is here for. They are direct competition for CG and their only puppies is CG Lite. CG has a far better purpose and should be the only ones guarding naval because there is no reason A "Senate Commano" should be guarding anyone but Senators. They have only one job and one purpose and the current outlook for them is pretty bleak TBH.

You see CG isnt on 24/7, Today SC escorted a naval around because there was only two CG on and they were busy doing other things. So they took charge and helped the naval. 

[Spec]

When CG isnt on SC takes over and helps out, just like today. Now if there is tons of CG on obviously they won't interfere but they help when they are needed. 

[Mr.Acorn]

-1, a lot of members of CG have trouble with the RP they do get to do durring events and their numbers aren’t exactly at a level to protect senators and naval. Keep SC and just fix senators 

[Ragen]

I'd say +1 and let's put the sc job down in the cg section and if we do that Iv got docs for tryouts and Abel to lead it @Scribbles

Edited April 5, 2018 by Ragen

[Anderson]

I'm going to stay neutral.

I've read all the comments so far and both sides bring up valid points. I feel like if the Senators were actually online the SC could show their potential of being a decent battalion. So i feel like the issue doesn't lie with SC but with the inactive senators. True, SC does help out when they're hardly any CG on, which does help a lot on some days when the server gets filled with minges.

However, CG wouldn't and doesn't have a problem with protecting both Naval and Senators. We would simply prioritise between who we need to protect and who we don't. Or simply split up the battalion in events to protect both naval and the senators (which we majority of the time do anyways to protect multiple groups of naval). Furthermore, I don't see many of you guys on unfortunately and when they're senators on i only see around 2-5 of you guys. 

What I think should happen is that we should get some more active Senators and see how SC do. If they start to prosper then fine, keep them. I don't have an issue with keeping SC. However, if we get active senators and SC are hardly on and CG have to do they're Job then they'll sadly have to be removed.

While in my personal opinion i don't understand why those in SC now didn't just join CG if they wanted to protect Senators and other VIPs. However, right now i don't feel like its fair to judge SC when they can't even do the job they are designed to do!  

- CG Hound / Anderson

[Guest]

Spec is right, SC are allowed to protect VIPs, Naval, etc if they want to and there are no Senators online.

[Key]

1+ , Not many Senators to protect therefore making them pretty useless.

(This is no hate at all)

[Keo]

-1 

I rather enjoy having SC on the ship as they are a different view of protection. 

CG are like cops and I would rather see senate commandos protecting senators to spice things up a little.

As for all of you saying SC take players from other battalions and such.... That is wrong...... You can play as an SC while you have a clone trooper so saying SC takes away from other battalions is a false statement. 

If they were in fact to get removed from a normal job I would much rather have them become an event job as opposed to coloring CTs blue or black and having them change their name to "Senate Commandso ____"

[Chambers]

I think the biggest issue that I have seen is the lack of Senators for them to protect........ I think Senators need to have their activity checked because I can honestly say I see senators very infrequently because people almost always play on their main job 95% of the time.
 

-1 to removing SC until I can actually see them try to do their jobs because it's next to impossible to see how they are doing with inactive senators.

[Fours]

I'm stuck on the fence for this one. While sometimes yes, they have nothing really to do when senators aren't on, but I blame the senators for that. I haven't seen most of the senators on the server recently. Senate commandos *would* offer a lot to do if they (senators) were really ever on. So I am 50/50.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that red guard though? (Core better stop afking),
And if SC becomes CG I swear I'm finna cut loose.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Fours

[Alexz]

1 hour ago, Keo (old Pheonix) said:

-1 

I rather enjoy having SC on the ship as they are a different view of protection. 

CG are like cops and I would rather see senate commandos protecting senators to spice things up a little.

As for all of you saying SC take players from other battalions and such.... That is wrong...... You can play as an SC while you have a clone trooper so saying SC takes away from other battalions is a false statement. 

If they were in fact to get removed from a normal job I would much rather have them become an event job as opposed to coloring CTs blue or black and having them change their name to "Senate Commandso ____"

I think they should be more useful as Event Jobs when senators are on. The fact you have to tryout and do all that is kind of annoying. Since senators are inactive I feel they would be better suited as Event jobs. That's why I'm in favor of their removal because of how useless they are.

[Scribbles]

2 hours ago, Fours said:

But that red guard though?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Bbstine]

How about this, I'll talk to Core about other Senator's activity because this seems to be a clear consistency in this topic.

 

I hope this pleases most of you.

[Alexz]

1 hour ago, Bbstine said:

How about this, I'll talk to Core about other Senator's activity because this seems to be a clear consistency in this topic.

 

I hope this pleases most of you.

Still want SC moved to Event jobs that people can be for passive RP when senators are on.

[Alfa]

-1 Your problem isn't with Senate Commandos, it's with Senators. 

A solution: You must main as Senator once given the position.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Alfa

[Bbstine]

39 minutes ago, AlextheConqustidor said:

Still want SC moved to Event jobs that people can be for passive RP when senators are on.

Fuck no.

[JaBaku]

+1 im not gonna be like others and give a +/- and not tell you why. I believe that the SC should be an event job not an actual battalion. 

[Scribbles]

16 hours ago, Spec said:

There allowed to if no senators are awake. Ive asked and with permission they can. 

 

This is false. SC have 0 involvment with Naval if no senators are on. I've spoken with the directors about this. They only involve themselves with the senate and thats it. 

If there are no senators on they are normal troopers. Enough said. 

[Alexz]

18 minutes ago, Bbstine said:

Fuck no.

I'm saying they should be Event jobs because senators are never on and their only job is their when they are on.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Alexz

[Bbstine]

Stop saying no Senators ever get on when I know I get on, I know Tyzen periodically gets on, and Square has recently getting back on Padme. The SC are allowed to guard the Naval and any other VIP if no Senator is present.

[Esitt]

Im on my senator late nights and do RP then when there are limited people on. I did take an ROA on my senator and Core can vouch for that. Im on LOA at the moment but when I get back my LOA and ROA should end. Just need to balance my time better.

Personally its not the Senate Commandos fault at all, they do their job when one of us get on, Hell i gave my two senate commandos that I RP'ed with 2 days ago a paycheck for their work. It truly is the activity of the Senators that's killing the battalion, Im sorry for that. Im going to try to be more active so, my vote on this is a -1

[Scribbles]

2 hours ago, Bbstine said:

The SC are allowed to guard the Naval and any other VIP if no Senator is present.

This is extremely false. Ive spoken with both directors about this.

" SC Are still strictly Senate only even if no Senators are on, if there aren't any they are to act like a normal trooper would."- Oxen

"Its the exact same, like saying if there are no Naval  on CG get to guard Senators" -Jackson

Edited April 6, 2018 by Scribbles

[Bbstine]

cool

 

news to me.

[Taur]

+1 To be honest we only need them to protect senators.

Almost all of my encounters with SC were bad ones.

[Alexz]

bump! I thought about this, and I think if we move them to event jobs and are more passive rp jobs for VIP's or something like that. when Senators are on. Like CG said they don't have jurisdiction over naval and only have a job when Senators are on. They shouldn't be completely removed, but become less of a role on the server. I feel this way, we can meet in the middle and make it so rp will still be their and cg still have their power over senators if need-be. If a gm asks for SC then they can have them, while just like we saw on the show CG will guard senators like Padme. It's really CG's job to guard senators if you look at the lore

Lore : http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thorn 

 

[Scribbles]

2 minutes ago, BigBurner said:

bump! I thought about this, and I think if we move them to event jobs and are more passive rp jobs for VIP's or something like that. when Senators are on. Like CG said they don't have jurisdiction over naval and only have a job when Senators are on. They shouldn't be completely removed, but become less of a role on the server. I feel this way, we can meet in the middle and make it so rp will still be their and cg still have their power over senators if need-be. If a gm asks for SC then they can have them, while just like we saw on the show CG will guard senators like Padme. It's really CG's job to guard senators if you look at the lore

Lore : http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thorn 

 

actually, before The senate commandos we had a sub-branch in ST(back when we were called this) called the CG. It was their job to handle the diplomatic services of senate related things, Thorn was the lead of this. 

[Alexz]

Just now, Scribbles said:

actually, before The senate commandos we had a sub-branch in ST(back when we were called this) called the CG. It was their job to handle the diplomatic services of senate related things, Thorn was the lead of this. 

that's what I feel can happen later on, but a whole separate groups who's elite goal is just to guard a few people who are never on, seems kind of stupid. SC really isn't needed much anymore.

[Alec]

+1

[IKE]

-1 its a good thing to have an whats the point in gting rid of them, its jsut the senators activity

 

[Alexz]

2 hours ago, IKE said:

-1 its a good thing to have an whats the point in gting rid of them, its jsut the senators activity

 

It's because they have only one true job and most of the time they never utilize their job due to sentators activity. CG already guard naval and some VIP's it would just be easier to give the job back to CG

[CBlake]

Personal Opinion: really this community 

Tester Opinion: no they should not be removed. Community members are so fuckinf quick to say "oh inactive remove them" instead of trying to work with them.  Senators yes are lacking activity. But you guys realize there are always ways to fix it. Its called.  Make a report or talk to one of um. If anything if you remove SC remove Senators. Or make them an event job. 

Pros: none. SC is just a side job 

Cons: some people like to RP in different places. A lot of people can be SC and a clone. What if I wanna be 212th BCMD and SC? You make it just CG and you remove our chances of diversity when we dont feel like being our normal clone or jedi. (Or senator for those that apply)

Final vote: -1. Senators do need to be more active but I dont think removing SCs will do much.  

Edited April 8, 2018 by CBlake
Half asleep lol

[Alexz]

5 minutes ago, CBlake said:

Personal Opinion: really this community 

Tester Opinion: no they should not be removed. Community members are so fuckinf quick to say "oh inactive remove them" instead of trying to work with them.  SC yes are lacking activity. But you guys realize there are always ways to fix it. Its called.  Make a report or talk to one of um. 

Pros: none. SC is just a side job 

Cons: some people like to RP in different places. A lot of people can be SC and a clone. What if I wanna be 212th BCMD and SC? You make it just CG and you remove our chances of diversity when we dont feel like being our normal clone or jedi. (Or senator for those that apply)

Final vote: -1

ahhh...No one said sc was inactive, that has been no ones argument. Senators are the inactive ones and our point is CG can do their job since htey already guard the floor the senators are on because they have to guard naval. CG can do their job at much more faster,active pace. SC is better as event jobs for rp purposes when need be and that's why alot of us feel their aren't needed where they are right now. 

[CBlake]

55 minutes ago, BigBurner said:

ahhh...No one said sc was inactive, that has been no ones argument. Senators are the inactive ones and our point is CG can do their job since htey already guard the floor the senators are on because they have to guard naval. CG can do their job at much more faster,active pace. SC is better as event jobs for rp purposes when need be and that's why alot of us feel their aren't needed where they are right now. 

I have updated what I meant to say. Remove SC and remove Senators if you do so. That's all I meant. 

[Tango]

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE TRYING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING IN SYNERGY ??? There is no problem what so ever with senate commando. WHY DO WE NEED THE REMOVAL??? -1

[Alexz]

38 minutes ago, CBlake said:

I have updated what I meant to say. Remove SC and remove Senators if you do so. That's all I meant. 

I don't think removing sc will remove senators all their trying to do is move them to move of an event job aspect and leave their role to CG to take care of like on the tv show.

 

12 minutes ago, Tango said:

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE TRYING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING IN SYNERGY ??? There is no problem what so ever with senate commando. WHY DO WE NEED THE REMOVAL??? -1

Because not all things work-out for everyone and change is sometimes for the better. Also the change to start was adding them in and all they are trying to do is reverse that change.

[CBlake]

1 minute ago, AlextheConqustidor said:

I don't think removing sc will remove senators all their trying to do is move them to move of an event job aspect and leave their role to CG to take care of like on the tv show.

 

Because not all things work-out for everyone and change is sometimes for the better. Also the change to start was adding them in and all they are trying to do is reverse that change.

I said make Senators and SC event jobs. Since they are rarely on and rarely used.  game masters would make good use of them

[Alexz]

2 minutes ago, CBlake said:

I said make Senators and SC event jobs. Since they are rarely on and rarely used.  game masters would make good use of them

I agree and I think we start somewhere and we can meet in the middle. Perhaps later today or tomorrow we can discuss with others and CG to move them to Event jobs. I feel the RP aspect is there and Event jobs use "senators" for events already, so if we transition both SC and senators to Event jobs this could help with the whole issue we have now with senators and sc. I'm glad we can meet somewhere

[Alexz]

On 4/4/2018 at 10:02 PM, BigBurner said:

If you would like to suggest something to be added to the server please try to follow this template to make it easier on our end to get the suggestions sorted through with what is possible to the server and players!

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Name: 41st GC CPT Alexz

Suggestion: Remove Senate commandos for the time being. Look I know they do a lot to help Senators and RP, but the Senators are never on. Like @Dargon said CG can do better and can do everything SC can do. Also they just take up player slots from other battalions and clearing them up will give boosts to other groups.  Simply they aren't needed right now and it's not even a battalion, all it is a side-group and it's not very active. I talked to CG and Dargon (on the forums) and both seem to be okay and in some cases in favor of removal. I feel they can be good later, but for now they don't do much and kind of are just placeholders. Feel free to give me feedback, but in my opinion from all the different groups I've talked to, I feel we should just let CG do their thing again and have power over VIP's. CG is more than capable of doing this and possibly could even later get a sub-branch dedicated to protecting people. 

Implementation:Remove Senate Commandos (for now)

Remove: All SC classes

@Scribbles - thanks for the contribution and help

@Dargon - thank you for the blessing and semi-approval that they shouldn't exist

EDIT: I have talked with 212,41st,CG, and many others and have decided to change my process and move Senate commandos and Senators to event jobs for RP purposes and for game-masters to utilize. I believe those 2 groups are better as event-jobs then regular people you can play. They already use senators for event jobs and making all senators(other than palpy) and SC event jobs can diversify events which is something we badly need. Thank you to all contributed in this.

Edited the end to change what I specifically think should be addressed and changed. 

[Scoutly]

-1. Core is addressing the senator activity issues.

[Alexz]

1 hour ago, Scoutly said:

-1. Core is addressing the senator activity issues.

even so, if the little amount of senators we have I feel they would be better for rp jobs and as event jobs. I feel game-masters could utilize them better if they had access to them and they only have one real job when they are on.

[Riddler]

People eed to stop calling people out on Senator inactivity.. 

 

• We try to be active where we can but what is there to do when no events/passiveRP events include SC/Senators.. its all bang bang bang..
• People want senator jobs but would back track on that statement straight away.
• No Senator should have to commit time as they would to a clone.. Its not fun to 24/7 a role
• Get us involved aye? Don't gun for us when you have no clue

[Robb]

Neutral. 

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