Vanguard New Weapon

Arcane · January 9

Name: Arcane

RP Rank: BCMD

Suggestion: Juggernaut New Weapon

Implementation: Give the DC-15LE to Juggernaut WL

Lore: https://battlefront.fandom.com/wiki/DC-15LE

Workshop content if applicable: N/A

Add or Change: Add

Job: Juggernaut

Slots: 9

Description: Give juggernauts a longer range “heavy class” weapon from BF2 to help round out juggernaut into a more complete WL

Model: No change

Weapons: rw_sw_dc15le_o - added

Note: Reduce base damage to 35 per shot

Edited January 30 by Arcane
Added note to reduce damage

SgtGlass · January 12

+1

Rezz · January 12

+1

Dole · January 28

+1

~~KaiserNeiner~~ · January 28

-1 DC15LE is one of the strongest weapons on the server as a base weapon, I think it's better than the Westar. The shielded Z6 is already unique enough, but adding a different blaster would be more balanced. Maybe the automatic pistol 41st got that is just average but ask to get that buffed?

Slak · January 28

completely agree with kaiser on this one. -1

Funnyman · January 28

-1 gang gang the DC15LE needs to be balanced before anyone gets it, and also you have the best gun on the server since you can block and shoot

Edited January 28 by Funnyman

Gobo The Great · January 29

22 hours ago, KaiserNeiner said:

-1 DC15LE is one of the strongest weapons on the server as a base weapon, I think it's better than the Westar. The shielded Z6 is already unique enough, but adding a different blaster would be more balanced. Maybe the automatic pistol 41st got that is just average but ask to get that buffed?

I mean Im sure we could ask for a decrease in DMG

~~KaiserNeiner~~ · January 29

1 minute ago, Gobo The Great said:

I mean Im sure we could ask for a decrease in DMG

But you didn’t

Gobo The Great · January 29

1 minute ago, KaiserNeiner said:

But you didn’t

The suggestion can always be edited to fit balance the class better

~~KillJoy~~ · January 29

-1 the job gets the best z6 on the server why add more to one job while other new jobs get slim pickings on weapons

Gobo The Great · January 29

6 minutes ago, KillJoy said:

-1 the job gets the best z6 on the server why add more to one job while other new jobs get slim pickings on weapons

I don’t think this is reason to not add something to a job, 501st is removing its HVY job fully and migrating to this job, asking for a weapon (which can be nerfed) isn’t a big deal, i also see no new jobs having slim pickings on weapons

Funnyman · January 29

38 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

I don’t think this is reason to not add something to a job, 501st is removing its HVY job fully and migrating to this job, asking for a weapon (which can be nerfed) isn’t a big deal, i also see no new jobs having slim pickings on weapons

Strategist got the DC17QRF, Riot got tear gas and riot shield, Razor is pilot but with fancy armor(and I guess HVY in rancor got the cip quad), gunner got the DP23E, 41st got the VX-41 and DMR-41. 1 battalion got two guns, everyone else got 1 new gun. (CG doesn’t count a melee weapon and grenade ≠ guns). Every new job got slim pickings.

~~KaiserNeiner~~ · January 29

26 minutes ago, Funnyman said:

Strategist got the DC17QRF, Riot got tear gas and riot shield, Razor is pilot but with fancy armor(and I guess HVY in rancor got the cip quad), gunner got the DP23E, 41st got the VX-41 and DMR-41. 1 battalion got two guns, everyone else got 1 new gun. (CG doesn’t count a melee weapon and grenade ≠ guns). Every new job got slim pickings.

41st got the heavy pistol too

Gobo The Great · January 29

36 minutes ago, Funnyman said:

Strategist got the DC17QRF, Riot got tear gas and riot shield, Razor is pilot but with fancy armor(and I guess HVY in rancor got the cip quad), gunner got the DP23E, 41st got the VX-41 and DMR-41. 1 battalion got two guns, everyone else got 1 new gun. (CG doesn’t count a melee weapon and grenade ≠ guns). Every new job got slim pickings.

So just because some people got ”slim pickings” then everyone should ? Kind of a poor mentality to have

Funnyman · January 29

1 hour ago, Gobo The Great said:

So just because some people got ”slim pickings” then everyone should ? Kind of a poor mentality to have

Your whole point was that no other jobs are slim in weapons. I am pointing out that is not true. The majority have slim pickings

Edited January 29 by Funnyman

Gobo The Great · January 29

1 hour ago, Funnyman said:

Your whole point was that no other jobs are slim in weapons. I am pointing out that is not true. The majority have slim pickings

No, i am pointing out that a job with 1 weaponn and nothing else asking for a side arm weapon isn’t anything that’s a crazy ask, especially considering they are full removing another job

~~KillJoy~~ · January 29

8 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

No, i am pointing out that a job with 1 weaponn and nothing else asking for a side arm weapon isn’t anything that’s a crazy ask, especially considering they are full removing another job

It’s not the fact asking for a new secondary. It’s due to to DC-15LE is a primary and you already have the shield Z6 for that. You are making a job that won’t be out match in close - mid - and long range. Z6 with a shield is one of the best close to mid range guns in the game. Than trying give a weapon that has a scope and 80 damage per shoot is just broken. But you will say we can reduce damage. Still having a minigun and a rifle is broken. You will say what about ARC with a westar and Chain gun. Chain gun is trash compare to the vanguard z6. Also you have to wait to Rancor to host trainings for it and it is only 5 slots. People’s problem isn’t that vanguard is trying to get a new gun it’s the fact you are about to make the most broken class on the server. Because on top of this you are adding health to the job.

Funnyman · January 30

6 hours ago, Gobo The Great said:

No, i am pointing out that a job with 1 weaponn and nothing else asking for a side arm weapon isn’t anything that’s a crazy ask, especially considering they are full removing another job

Yeah the DV-15Le is not a secondary. A secondary is a weapon that is a backup. Your primary is the z-6 shield. You don’t need two primaries on a class with the z-6 shield (best gun on he server)

Mystic · January 30

2 hours ago, Funnyman said:

Yeah the DV-15Le is not a secondary. A secondary is a weapon that is a backup. Your primary is the z-6 shield. You don’t need two primaries on a class with the z-6 shield (best gun on he server)

is the DC15LE not a perma weapon buyable via credits?

~~KillJoy~~ · January 30

4 hours ago, Mystic said:

is the DC15LE not a perma weapon buyable via credits?

No armor so can not check

~~KaiserNeiner~~ · January 30

4 hours ago, Mystic said:

is the DC15LE not a perma weapon buyable via credits?

It’s listed in base weapons in game, not permas.

Funnyman · January 30

5 hours ago, Mystic said:

is the DC15LE not a perma weapon buyable via credits?

Nope, DC-15LE is in the base weapons tab

Gobo The Great · January 30

6 hours ago, Mystic said:

is the DC15LE not a perma weapon buyable via credits?

There’s 2 different ones

Gobo The Great · January 30

9 hours ago, Funnyman said:

Yeah the DV-15Le is not a secondary. A secondary is a weapon that is a backup. Your primary is the z-6 shield. You don’t need two primaries on a class with the z-6 shield (best gun on he server)

The z6 shield isn’t the best gun on the server, the 104th shotgun, DC17 smg , sniper and shotgun, DC17 QRF, Alpha Westar etc are better IMO, still the fact remains that it’s a new HVY job and 501st are getting rid of an entire job for it, its also a job with limited slots

Funnyman · January 30

8 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

The z6 shield isn’t the best gun on the server, the 104th shotgun, DC17 smg , sniper and shotgun, DC17 QRF, Alpha Westar etc are better IMO, still the fact remains that it’s a new HVY job and 501st are getting rid of an entire job for it, its also a job with limited slots

Two things. Number 1, you “removed” the job of your own volition. The job isn’t being F4 removed, it’s still there. You locked it down to “remove” it. Second, yes it is. Being able to shoot without being hit back makes it the best PVE gun. This is just an objective fact. Having a 1 way impenetrable wall between you and the droids is the best thing you could have. If it’s a new heavy job you don’t need two primaries when you have an upgraded version of the HVY gun

Edited January 30 by Funnyman

Gobo The Great · January 30

4 minutes ago, Funnyman said:

Two things. Number 1, you “removed” the job of your own volition. The job isn’t being F4 removed, it’s still there. You locked it down to “remove” it. Second, yes it is. Being able to shoot without being hit back makes it the best PVE gun. This is just an objective fact. Having a 1 way impenetrable wall between you and the droids is the best thing you could have. If it’s a new heavy job you don’t need two primaries when you have an upgraded version of the HVY gun

In the latest update, 501st was branded as a frontline attack specialised battalion, first of, you can be hit from any angle that isn’t directly infront of you, second would it not make sense for a front line focused battalion to have a objectively better heavy class than other battalions?

HVY will be removed from the F4 menu either next update or after next server suggestions rotation

Edited January 30 by Gobo The Great

Funnyman · January 30

2 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

In the latest update, 501st was branded as a frontline attack specialised battalion, first of, you can be hit from any angle that isn’t directly infront of you, second would it not make sense for a front line focused battalion to have a objectively better heavy class than other battalions?

I’m very confused here. You already have a better heavy class than everyone else who still has it. Second, I don’t see how this is relevant. Just suggest for a larger angle of protection. Not another gun entirely.

Edited January 30 by Funnyman

Funnyman · January 30

4 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

In the latest update, 501st was branded as a frontline attack specialised battalion, first of, you can be hit from any angle that isn’t directly infront of you, second would it not make sense for a front line focused battalion to have a objectively better heavy class than other battalions?

HVY will be removed from the F4 menu either next update or after next server suggestions rotation

Another thing. You complain of no angle of protection, so let me spell it out: formations. Have vanguard use formations. Use teamplay for once.

Gobo The Great · January 30

5 minutes ago, Funnyman said:

Another thing. You complain of no angle of protection, so let me spell it out: formations. Have vanguard use formations. Use teamplay for once.

I wasn’t complaining, I was just stating the fact that angle whise the Z6 is only a good weapon when enemies are right in front of you

8 minutes ago, Funnyman said:

I’m very confused here. You already have a better heavy class than everyone else who still has it. Second, I don’t see how this is relevant. Just suggest for a larger angle of protection. Not another gun entirely.

If the damage is the DCLE was to reduced to let’s say 40DMG, would you still be opposed? Or is it the fact that we want a second gun at all what’s bothering you.

i think it’s fully relevant to wanna focus on the most front line job that 501st has

nerfs are already in place to make this class less OP, such as speed reduction of I think 10-20%

Edited January 30 by Gobo The Great

Funnyman · January 30

Just now, Gobo The Great said:

I wasn’t complaining, I was just stating the fact that angle whise the Z6 is only a good weapon when enemies are right in front of you

If the damage is the DCLE was to reduced to let’s say 40DMG, would you still be opposed? Or is it the fact that we want a second gun at all what’s bothering you

It’s the fact you’re asking for an 80 damage scoped weapon, better than the Westar. I think 40 would be too much, 38 at the most. From my perspective you can’t have a ranged weapon with damage that close to the westar, in addition to the shielded z6.

4 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

I wasn’t complaining, I was just stating the fact that angle whise the Z6 is only a good weapon when enemies are right in front of you

If the damage is the DCLE was to reduced to let’s say 40DMG, would you still be opposed? Or is it the fact that we want a second gun at all what’s bothering you.

i think it’s fully relevant to wanna focus on the most front line job that 501st has

nerfs are already in place to make this class less OP, such as speed reduction of I think 10-20%

Speed nerfs are entirely irrelevant when we have pets that increase speed. Even disregarding that a speed nerf is much less impactful than HP or armor changes.

Gobo The Great · January 30

1 minute ago, Funnyman said:

It’s the fact you’re asking for an 80 damage scoped weapon, better than the Westar. I think 40 would be too much, 38 at the most. From my perspective you can’t have a ranged weapon with damage that close to the westar, in addition to the shielded z6.

I’ll be full honest, when I first looked at the weapon I looked at the perma one, which is 42 DMG or something, like I said we can always have the weapon nerfed if that would better motivate the addition of it

Funnyman · January 30

Just now, Gobo The Great said:

I’ll be full honest, when I first looked at the weapon I looked at the perma one, which is 42 DMG or something, like I said we can always have the weapon nerfed if that would better motivate the addition of it

ATP it’s not a motivator it’s a prerequisite. Of all classes a 501st heavy replacement shouldn’t have a gun so much better than everything else on the server.

~~KaiserNeiner~~ · January 30

17 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

If the damage is the DCLE was to reduced to let’s say 40DMG, would you still be opposed? Or is it the fact that we want a second gun at all what’s bothering you.

What bothers me is that this feels extremely half baked and you should have done some more research on what you're asking for/stats on guns before putting them up. The server suggestions are usually for finalized ideas, not something to throw up and then edit down the line with the intention to do that.

Shielded Z6 already makes the 501st heavies the best heavies, and then you also have the best medics on the server too. Even at 40DMG it would be the best DC15A variant on the server by a large margin.

Do current vanguards think the shielded Z6 is buns? @Spaghetti @Iconic

Gobo The Great · January 30

47 minutes ago, KaiserNeiner said:

What bothers me is that this feels extremely half baked and you should have done some more research on what you're asking for/stats on guns before putting them up. The server suggestions are usually for finalized ideas, not something to throw up and then edit down the line with the intention to do that.

Shielded Z6 already makes the 501st heavies the best heavies, and then you also have the best medics on the server too. Even at 40DMG it would be the best DC15A variant on the server by a large margin.

Do current vanguards think the shielded Z6 is buns? @Spaghetti @Iconic

I disagree, the whole point of having server suggestions be public is so you can discuss it and change and tweak it, otherwhise suggestions would go straight to developers without community input

also a pretty simple misstake that we looked at the wrong gun since there are two of them

Edited January 30 by Gobo The Great

~~KillJoy~~ · January 30

1 hour ago, Gobo The Great said:

In the latest update, 501st was branded as a frontline attack specialised battalion, first of, you can be hit from any angle that isn’t directly infront of you, second would it not make sense for a front line focused battalion to have a objectively better heavy class than other battalions?

HVY will be removed from the F4 menu either next update or after next server suggestions rotation

Thought yall got rid of heavy for HVO. So with everything being said, with the current suggestion y’all will have the most broken battalion.
TC- Droid poppers

HVO- Back to replace HVY and ARC slots along with Mortars

Vanguard- 500 health a weapon that can block fire if you are good enough to use it properly along with a scope range weapon when you already have the DC15a

y’all need to give something mate

Edited January 30 by KillJoy

~~KaiserNeiner~~ · January 30

11 minutes ago, Gobo The Great said:

I disagree, the whole point of having server suggestions be public is so you can discuss it and change and tweak it, otherwhise suggestions would go straight to developers without community input

also a pretty simple misstake that we looked at the wrong gun since there are two of them

gg, its shrimple really. I have been winner reacted by Gohn, and you have been dumbed.

In all seriousness, no. Server suggestions are brainstormed, finalized, then go up to get community feedback in their final form. If the final form is widely discussed to be changed/edited then perhaps a different version would release. This is how it's been for a while so unless that has changed putting something up with the intention to change it later is not the way.

Even if you were suggesting for the perma weapon to be added to the kit, asking for a perma is almost always insta denied. Creating a new weapon inspired from a perma weapon is a bit more reasonable. That would be an entirely different suggestion though.

Gobo The Great · January 30

1 hour ago, KillJoy said:

Thought yall got rid of heavy for HVO. So with everything being said, with the current suggestion y’all will have the most broken battalion.
TC- Droid poppers

HVO- Back to replace HVY and ARC slots along with Mortars

Vanguard- 500 health a weapon that can block fire if you are good enough to use it properly along with a scope range weapon when you already have the DC15a

y’all need to give something mate

Why? This whole ”nobody should be better” mentality people have just sucks tbh, let ATK focus on being frontline and be better at that an let other battalion be focused on their specialisations.

you are also talking about suggestions that haven’t even been accepted.

Droid poppers for TC, so far I’ve seen 2 other people ask for it, if you think they shouldn’t have it then comment on that suggestion and keep this discussion relevant to this suggestion

HVO- worst job on the server even with the current suggestions to change it.

50 extra HP points to vanguard not even a big deal

Damage has been asked to be reduced to 35 in the suggestion

no point in discussing this further tbh

Edited January 30 by Gobo The Great

Mystic · January 30

9 hours ago, Gobo The Great said:

There’s 2 different ones

11 hours ago, Funnyman said:

Nope, DC-15LE is in the base weapons tab

I had forgotten about the "Original" variants. My fault gangos.

Bane · January 31

-1. I'm all for battalions getting new things, but this isn't it. The DC-15LE is something you ask for as the singular primary weapon on a whitelist and *hope* you get it, because as a gun it's unbalanced and straight cracked. This plus the shield Z6? There's no way lmao. I would ask for a different sidearm entirely, this was not thought out in the slightest