Ban Appeal - Unknown

[Destin]

RP Name: 101st MED SGT2 Unknown
Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:119754137
Date of Ban: 8/3/2017
Length of Ban: One Week
Offense: "Server disrespect"
Banned By: Null Jedi Commander Thomas
Why should we unban you/shorten the ban period?: Because the ban was unwarranted. Because the ban was false and not needed.

Merriam Webster's definitions of disrespect: 

1. 1:  to lack special regard or respect for :  to have disrespect (see ²disrespect) for disrespects authority

2. 2:  to show or express disrespect or contempt for :  insult, dis disrespected the officer.

If the offense was server disrespect, then it must follow under these lines. The lines of reason, of definition.

Now, having said that, lets get to another point made by someone else.

    "At that point you are trying to cause harm to the server by turning people away from it which is definitely server disrespect" someone said in response to the situation at hand. This person has a valid point. Their point follows under the definition of disrespect. Their point shows the "to lack special regard" aspect of disrespect. BUT this point is overruled by simple facts that were not stated or brought up earlier.

    In the situation, the CC (cadet) was already frustrated. And the CC named Raff showed this in OOC chat. The CC had waited for minutes asking to be trained. The CC had said in OOC he/she was disappointed with the server for not being trained. The CC also said he/she was close to leaving. Having STILL waited many minutes, and not even a TR was en route. So after some background information being said, the situation should become much clearer. 

    After learning some background information, the point made by someone earlier, is definitely overruled. The point is overruled because the CC already had the thought of leaving. The statements of "honestly raff leave. Spare yourself some time" could not "turn away" this CC, because the thought of turning away was already made before that statement. The CC had decided to seriously consider leaving the server, not from my statement, but from the lack of training he had received. It is important to know that the CC was thinking on his own accord, and acting on his accord, not from others.

    If the ban reason was "Server Disrespect", then there most likely would be talk about the server prior to the ban, that inflicted the ban. But, even though how likely this is, in this case, is false. There was no talk of the server, or of the server's staff, prior to the ban that day. Subsequently, the event of the opinions stated in OOC, is the ONLY possible case for server disrespect.

Since the one and only conceivable reason for the "Server Disrespect" ban has been undoubtedly proven false and incorrect, then the ban has been proven erroneous and inaccurate.

[Destin]

And this time, can we PLEASE keep replies ON TOPIC. The topic being the ban reason and the ban appeal, not anything outside of this.

[Bacoon]

-1 already has been denied 

[Destin]

4 minutes ago, Bacoon said:

-1 already has been denied 

Did you even read the post? Just because an appeal of mine has been denied before does not change the contents of this appeal. 

[Bacoon]

1 minute ago, Destin said:

Did you even read the post? Just because an appeal of mine has been denied before does not change the contents of this appeal. 

But your trying to be unbanned for the same thing that was already confirmed that it's not getting removed.

[Destin]

9 minutes ago, Bacoon said:

But your trying to be unbanned for the same thing that was already confirmed that it's not getting removed.

Same topic, different contents. Different contents that prove things wrong.

[Destin]

11 minutes ago, Bacoon said:

But your trying to be unbanned for the same thing that was already confirmed that it's not getting removed.

This isn't about whether I respect my peers. Whether people like me, whether staff like me. Its about right or wrong. There is no point in having an appeal section, or an application section, if anything is NOT about right or wrong. 

[Destin]

26 minutes ago, Bacoon said:

But your trying to be unbanned for the same thing that was already confirmed that it's not getting removed.

And it has not been confirmed it wont be removed. The first appeal was denied. Nothing here that says this cant be accepted, or I cant post another appeal.

[LtAttack]

Well, I am not aware of this whole incident so i can not say whether Unknown/Destin did indeed disrespect the sever as a whole or not. I can however say that the CC training situation on the server at the moment is horrendous. I have counted atleast 20+ cadets that have waited extended periods of time on the server for training and never received it, which then they leave and never return since the start of the server on the first day. These 20+ cadets have only been counted on times i have been on, and noticed that they were asking for training, im sure many many more people just up and leave after a minute or 2 of no training. I think this is part of the reason for such low player counts during periods of the day, more so than other starwars rp servers.

Given the context that Destin was saying, i have seen multiple CC's disprespect the Server  in OOC before leaving, perhaps unknown here was simply telling the CC to leave due to a similar situation, again i was not there to witness it. Destin does seem to actually care about the server, as he submitted this ban appeal, which confuses me as to how he disrespected the server as a whole. If he was to be only on this server to troll or disrespect it, i highly doubt he would go to the length of actually trying to get a ban appeal on a week ban. I also see it wrong to punish Destin/Unknown for a problem that is much bigger than him, like i said before the training of CC's is horrendous. I have heard from multiple occasions from trainers (TRs) that they did not want to train a CC due to blah blah blah what ever their reason be. One occasion was a TR wanted to hang out in the OOC lounge and keep watching the cinema while a CC asked for training multiple times in OOC chat, that CC eventually left the server. <<< this is the largest disrespect of the server i have ever seen anyone do, not only did they disrespect the server from turning away a potential good RP person, but also disrespected the CC and ignored his request. I have seen this from countless TR's in different moments and times of my own experience.

Sry for the wall of text, but i just happened across destin's ban appeal here and this is an issue i wanted to bring up at some point.

I see personally no reason why destin should remain banned from the server due to this, this is a much larger problem for the server.

[Forseen]

@DestinI see where you are coming from, I really do. However, you went about the situation completely wrong, let me explain in a little more detail.

1. If a player is thinking about leaving, I personally would have urged them to stay and told them I'll find them someone as soon as possible or stayed out of the situation completely as to avoid an issue.
   (If you didn't know, Zander actually found the player a trainer and that CC is now a productive member of our community. You telling him to leave made this harder for everyone.)
    
2. On your previous ban appeal in which can be found here. You tagged your post with the following:  
   In which is definitely not the way to go about posting a ban appeal. Just by the tags on the post, it makes the appeal look unprofessional.
    
3. In the previous report you were trying not to argue and doing quite well until you lost control a little bit, and were once again being unprofessional about the whole ideal. Which got so bad as to having one of our Staff Directors, @Medic, having to get involved in a n issue in which he did not need to be involved in.

This community is less of a political business and more of a family and the voices of the people within our family are very influential. A lot of people in the community have a negative opinion on you because of certain actions in which you have taken. Now with this I see where a lot of people giving the -1's on your appeal due to them simply wanting you to have a break to rethink your approach to the server so that the family in which we have built here feels safe. I understand this completely, I also understand your point about it having nothing to do with what happened. I denied your previous report for valid reasoning and not for "negative feedback" in which I could have.

The point in which you made in this post; 

5 hours ago, Destin said:

After learning some background information, the point made by someone earlier, is definitely overruled. The point is overruled because the CC already had the thought of leaving. The statements of "honestly raff leave. Spare yourself some time" could not "turn away" this CC, because the thought of turning away was already made before that statement. The CC had decided to seriously consider leaving the server, not from my statement, but from the lack of training he had received. It is important to know that the CC was thinking on his own accord, and acting on his accord, not from others.

Just because the player already thought of leaving the server does not invalidate the point of your ban due to the fact that you still influenced a player to leave the community which is very much so inappropriate. This is still in the correct definition of server disrespect and is unacceptable.

Do I agree with the length of the ban? Not entirely, but due to your actions on the previous post and the unprofessionalism that was portrayed, I left it as is rather than decreasing the ban.

This post and the previous posts made by me are 100% about the situation and are, by all means fair and have meaning and purpose. I think you should think about taking the rest of the time on your ban to rethink how you are on the server and within the community family at Synergy Roleplay before returning to the server.

However, as I denied the last appeal I will leave the decision up to @Rush Cat & @Medic due to the fact that @Zander, @Aphex & I have already been involved in the situation.

 

P.S. I wouldn't come into the Teamspeak telling the person that denied your appeal that they "Need help" then proceed to shit talk them in Discord with other members of the community that disagree with you and think that it'll all magically be okay. The community is joined together as one and talk gets around.

[Venom]

-1 

[Beb]

We have been over this, the ban was not false, and it was a long time coming. You disrespected the server, telling people to "Just leave." and you have given the 212th and others a hell of a hard time. Not to mention, you reported two individuals for disrespecting you, but you will not accept that you have done the same to them, NO -1.

Edited August 5, 2017 by Beb

[Tristan]

A solid -1

[Jagger]

-1, through the attempted professional discussions with you and others, I feel that you're just here to start crap. Your language is very politically incorrect and just rather invoking. You disrespected the entire server at this point and you had chances to redeem yourself. You were told to stop before it got worse, but you just kept going. Now its too late. In life, you need to learn that when you take things too far, you pay the consequences. 

 

To everyone in the world; just chill. Be chill.

[Jackson]

-1

[The Candy Man]

-1

[Lazer]

Not really sure if I can deny ban appeals but -1.

[Perri]

-1.

[Destin]

21 hours ago, LtAttack said:

Well, I am not aware of this whole incident so i can not say whether Unknown/Destin did indeed disrespect the sever as a whole or not. I can however say that the CC training situation on the server at the moment is horrendous. I have counted atleast 20+ cadets that have waited extended periods of time on the server for training and never received it, which then they leave and never return since the start of the server on the first day. These 20+ cadets have only been counted on times i have been on, and noticed that they were asking for training, im sure many many more people just up and leave after a minute or 2 of no training. I think this is part of the reason for such low player counts during periods of the day, more so than other starwars rp servers.

Given the context that Destin was saying, i have seen multiple CC's disprespect the Server  in OOC before leaving, perhaps unknown here was simply telling the CC to leave due to a similar situation, again i was not there to witness it. Destin does seem to actually care about the server, as he submitted this ban appeal, which confuses me as to how he disrespected the server as a whole. If he was to be only on this server to troll or disrespect it, i highly doubt he would go to the length of actually trying to get a ban appeal on a week ban. I also see it wrong to punish Destin/Unknown for a problem that is much bigger than him, like i said before the training of CC's is horrendous. I have heard from multiple occasions from trainers (TRs) that they did not want to train a CC due to blah blah blah what ever their reason be. One occasion was a TR wanted to hang out in the OOC lounge and keep watching the cinema while a CC asked for training multiple times in OOC chat, that CC eventually left the server. <<< this is the largest disrespect of the server i have ever seen anyone do, not only did they disrespect the server from turning away a potential good RP person, but also disrespected the CC and ignored his request. I have seen this from countless TR's in different moments and times of my own experience.

Sry for the wall of text, but i just happened across destin's ban appeal here and this is an issue i wanted to bring up at some point.

I see personally no reason why destin should remain banned from the server due to this, this is a much larger problem for the server.

Thanks Attack, just thanks.

[Destin]

17 hours ago, Beb said:

We have been over this, the ban was not false, and it was a long time coming. You disrespected the server, telling people to "Just leave." and you have given the 212th and others a hell of a hard time. Not to mention, you reported two individuals for disrespecting you, but you will not accept that you have done the same to them, NO -1.

Everyone says I cause drama. Everyone says I argue. Which I do argue, but normally I don't start it. Like look at your post? Instead of staying on topic you immediately go to how you think I give your 212th and other people "a hell of a hard time." And I told ONE person to "just leave" not multiple people. And other posts are not this discussion man? If I disrespect someone else, they can make a post about me I don't care, that's what the forums are here for. Just because other people don't make forum posts about me does not mean I don't accept I have disrespected people. I have disrespected other people, but that's not the point of this post.

[Destin]

17 hours ago, Venom said:

-1 

 

11 hours ago, Tristan said:

A solid -1

 

11 hours ago, Jackson said:

-1

 

10 hours ago, The Candy Man said:

-1

 

8 hours ago, Lazer said:

Not really sure if I can deny ban appeals but -1.

 

2 hours ago, Perri said:

-1.

For the record, can you people give reasons? I know people don't like me, but that's not a good reason to -1 my appeal.

[Destin]

11 hours ago, Jagger said:

-1, through the attempted professional discussions with you and others, I feel that you're just here to start crap. Your language is very politically incorrect and just rather invoking. You disrespected the entire server at this point and you had chances to redeem yourself. You were told to stop before it got worse, but you just kept going. Now its too late. In life, you need to learn that when you take things too far, you pay the consequences. 

 

To everyone in the world; just chill. Be chill.

How is my language politically incorrect lmao? Political correctness means basically nothing in today's society. Everyone gets triggered and offended by every minute word and action. And yes it is supposed to be invoking.  Have you read attack's post? Why would I be here to start crap? I don't even play actively on gmod anymore. I haven't been active on gmod in a long time. Why would I go through the hassle of the forums, and being professional, and making everything the best I can. If people think I am a minge and here to start shit, then why would I not just wait the week, and then go back to being a minge? If I am a minge, I would just go to other servers and play on there and fuck with people, yet I don't. And your whole persona of me continuing until it was too late, has nothing to do with the situation. The point you speak of, I had no chances of anything past that point. There was no chance of "redemption" or anything. I said "just leave" and was banned immediately after. No sit, no knowledge of what I did, nothing. I was not told to stop anything before "it got worse."  And please stop with the philosophy Jagger, don't think me ignorant of sense. You can stand back and be chill, I will continue to move and learn.

[Destin]

20 hours ago, Forseen said:

@DestinI see where you are coming from, I really do. However, you went about the situation completely wrong, let me explain in a little more detail.

1. If a player is thinking about leaving, I personally would have urged them to stay and told them I'll find them someone as soon as possible or stayed out of the situation completely as to avoid an issue.
   (If you didn't know, Zander actually found the player a trainer and that CC is now a productive member of our community. You telling him to leave made this harder for everyone.)
    
2. On your previous ban appeal in which can be found here. You tagged your post with the following:  
   In which is definitely not the way to go about posting a ban appeal. Just by the tags on the post, it makes the appeal look unprofessional.
    
3. In the previous report you were trying not to argue and doing quite well until you lost control a little bit, and were once again being unprofessional about the whole ideal. Which got so bad as to having one of our Staff Directors, @Medic, having to get involved in a n issue in which he did not need to be involved in.

This community is less of a political business and more of a family and the voices of the people within our family are very influential. A lot of people in the community have a negative opinion on you because of certain actions in which you have taken. Now with this I see where a lot of people giving the -1's on your appeal due to them simply wanting you to have a break to rethink your approach to the server so that the family in which we have built here feels safe. I understand this completely, I also understand your point about it having nothing to do with what happened. I denied your previous report for valid reasoning and not for "negative feedback" in which I could have.

The point in which you made in this post; 

Just because the player already thought of leaving the server does not invalidate the point of your ban due to the fact that you still influenced a player to leave the community which is very much so inappropriate. This is still in the correct definition of server disrespect and is unacceptable.

Do I agree with the length of the ban? Not entirely, but due to your actions on the previous post and the unprofessionalism that was portrayed, I left it as is rather than decreasing the ban.

This post and the previous posts made by me are 100% about the situation and are, by all means fair and have meaning and purpose. I think you should think about taking the rest of the time on your ban to rethink how you are on the server and within the community family at Synergy Roleplay before returning to the server.

However, as I denied the last appeal I will leave the decision up to @Rush Cat & @Medic due to the fact that @Zander, @Aphex & I have already been involved in the situation.

 

P.S. I wouldn't come into the Teamspeak telling the person that denied your appeal that they "Need help" then proceed to shit talk them in Discord with other members of the community that disagree with you and think that it'll all magically be okay. The community is joined together as one and talk gets around.

Your #1 - Good for you. Seriously amazing for you. Myself however, still thinks gmod is trash and people could be doing better things. How did I telling him to leave make the situation harder? He already wanted to leave? I told leave gmod  in a way not leave the server. Nothing against the server, just gmod in general.

Your #2 - If anything, I think it makes it look more professional. It was a little summary of what to come. But we all think different things so oh well.

Your #3 - I did not start what medic was brought in for. Other people posted replies off topic and trying to "diss" me. Kind of like what you did with "You telling him to leave made this harder for everyone."

I "influenced" him to leave gmod as a whole, not the server. But then again, how influential is ONE sentence? You act like I was giving him a speech in voice chat for 20 minutes, when it was ONE line of text.

Your everything else - If this place is such a family and not a "political business", then values should matter a whole lot more than they do right now. If this is such a family, then right and wrong should matter a lot more. As people have said, the only forum rule at the moment is common sense. If you use common sense then it should be a no brainer. That if people don't want me on the server to make your "family" feel safe, then -1 all my appeals is not the right way to go about it. If people don't want me, then make a player report, make a discussion in general, anything.

"due to your actions on the previous post and the unprofessionalism that was portrayed"? Are you serious? Did you not see everyone else? I don't reply to other's posts just to talk about how I don't like what they do on the server? You and others only fucking focus on me, and no one else. I advise you open your eyes and look on others, spread the spotlight to everyone, not just me. No one says anything when people reply and disrespect me, or "diss" me. People just beat down on me, when I reply to them. Yea I could just ignore them. But still no one does anything about those replies.

I understand this is a "family" of sorts, but that shouldn't allow you guys to be biased. Everything that happens is biased. Its honestly preposterous.

[Fido™]

2 hours ago, Destin said:

Your #1 - Good for you. Seriously amazing for you. Myself however, still thinks gmod is trash and people could be doing better things. How did I telling him to leave make the situation harder? He already wanted to leave? I told leave gmod  in a way not leave the server. Nothing against the server, just gmod in general.

-1 you dont learn your lesson adn you need to wait your time out... and this? why did i quote it? oh well dont play the game then and waste your time on it if it is so trash in your opinion none of us force you to play gmod you saying that is just more of a reason to deny this ban appeal rather than accept it if it would be taken that way and go waste your time doing something else than playing a game you think to be a trash game. Please do not respond as i wont read it or respond to it as you will be wasting your time 

[Destin]

54 minutes ago, Fido™ said:

-1 you dont learn your lesson adn you need to wait your time out... and this? why did i quote it? oh well dont play the game then and waste your time on it if it is so trash in your opinion none of us force you to play gmod you saying that is just more of a reason to deny this ban appeal rather than accept it if it would be taken that way and go waste your time doing something else than playing a game you think to be a trash game. Please do not respond as i wont read it or respond to it as you will be wasting your time 

You know NOTHING about me Fido? I learn lessons, I'm not retarded? Yea wait my time out for something I didn't do? Even if I had done server disrespect it should not be a week ban

Edited August 6, 2017 by Destin

[Rolenth]

Denied. Due to

1. Previously denied.

2. Turning into a shitfest.