Frederic

+1, I would love to play R6S while on Gmod. but no honestly, this would be nicer than jiggle peaking corners.

+1, 3 years is a long time and you sound like you didn't have malicous intent back then, I support you being unbanned.

-1 (For those who want the TLDR scroll to the bottom) (I don't vote nuetral due to it not being beneficial in terms of the discussion, being undecided means you haven't done your research or you're waiting for more evidence to make a decision; which no one needs or will care to read your post to figure that out, which is why I waited until i believe everyone stated their piece and proclaimed their evidence, but don't react to this post without reading the content, alot of this post is to not put ninjaman down it's to help him understand and walk him through in detail how someone who has dealt with 100's if not 1000's of ban appeals just like this one see's this and what he should do in addition to what he has done as well to point out things that just don't add up yet.) Your date of ban was " 8/5/2020" basically tells me you've only been gone for 53 days as of my post. (That's not alot of time for a Community Ban in my experience, this would be the shortest one I've seen) Your ban was for "Targeted a member of the community in order to harass and create a toxic environment, in an attempt to gain evidence against him. / toxicity" which is just wrong in general to treat people like that. I get it you messed up, and you didn't realize that until after you were banned. "Shocking" You apologized and that's a good start, you're making progress towards reforming the bridges you destroyed before you were banned. You state that "This will not involve what happened in DU" but essentially that DU is involved in why you were banned correct? You harrassed a member of DU whom you worked with closely as you state (Both of you in DU). Another issue here is that you claim that what you did to this person was in good fun and they knew about? Yet you have others saying you had a discord full of goons to initially plot against DU High Command & then picked Cyan out of the bunch to target for a power coup of DU. So what was it fun banter or a power coup. did it involve DU or not? "The quotes that were said was after one of our more heated banter moments. I will admit without context the quotes that are said sound bad. I won’t deny that, but what I will say was that this was said within a discord server that was a friend’s and not affiliated with synergy (even though synergy members were in there and I also understand Directors can use other discords if they involve something) What was said in there wasn’t to leave there as to not cause issues in the server. The screenshots that will be provided are also the same exact screenshots I had aslo provided as context within that server." Your statement taken directly from your ban appeal regarding the other discord server. I mean you bring the fact of the discord not being synergy based & understanding that even though it isnt it can be used for evidence. That's good that means you don't need someone to explain to you that just because someone plans an Attack on the US from Brazil doesn't mean it can't be used as evidence against them for said attack. You also mention "The screenshots that will be provided are also the same exact screenshots I had aslo provided as context within that server." but the Screenshots that were provided were from the DU general chat. which leaves me to wonder why are the screenshots of the total conversations left out? Is he trying tot hide something? Is the statement you made "The quotes that were said was after one of our more heated banter moments. I will admit without context the quotes that are said sound bad." just to try and play down the 2 statements you provided for your reason of ban & that with context they would even further imply your actions against this young individual? Would they have cleared your name & if so if it would've benefited you in terms of your ban appeal why not post them. Screenshots as hard undeniable evidence would benefit you so much in a ban appeal because regardless of how someone feels towards you facts don't care about their opinion of you. But withholding or being unable to provided these screenshots that you mentioned you would provide to me shows that either they wouldn't benefit in your appeal, you didn't take the proper time to compile your appeal, or maybe you don't have access to that server anymore, but you did state it was a friend's server and that means you could easily just be reinvited unless they deleted it in retaliation of also being banned from the community. To take a few statements from Cyan the young man that you were banned for harrassing stated in his post "1) Ninjaman's ban was a direct response from malicious actions towards a member of the community (who was then demoted from all his positions and is now at 2ndLT, thanks buddy). His actions were not a "one time slip up", it was a result of weeks of planning and talking it out. Thus, premeditated and specific targeting." Right so i understand this is gmod but understand that if you take time to plan and target an individual for weeks at a time for any reason shows that you knoew what you were doing and thought it would benefit you in the best way possible. "2) Like I said in our PMs together, I personally don't forgive you for your actions. You can critique me all you want, which it is your right to, however I don't think anyone should forgive targeting, toxicity, and drama for the sake of...power? Relevancy? Greed?" Do i agree that he doesn't give you a formal notice of forgiveness no, I believe in forgiving those that have wronged and mistreated myself regardless of how bad it was. That amount of built of anger or distain for a person is wearing and hurts an individual a lot, it also can affect a young individual in many ways for a good portion of their life. But this is the consequences of your actions regardless of how you want to say you meant them you mentaly and verbally harrased and abused an individual for personal gain & not even 2 months later come back saying I understand what I did wrong I've changed. I'm sorry I don't buy it It takes time to change on a personal level that is something I believe others here regardless if they can agree with my stance on this can agree on that change in your character takes time. I know you've gone to the staff that did your ban and cyan the target that you made and decided to harass and attempt to rebuild broke bridges but your decision had fall out & others who care about cyan were also hurt due to your decisions. I don't see that you reached to an of them. I know you state that you don't want this to involve DU but the underlying reason and one of the only one's that add up is you attack him for a power play/coup in DU. You need to go to the individuals iin DU and try to make amends before an appeal you need to cover you bases and make the attempt to repair what you've destroyed. I would believe you then if you made the statement I'm working on being a better person or however you want to phrase it. "3) Ever since you left DU, your actions have directly harmed the battalion, and virtually all you did was gaslight a precarious situation, which would lead to your eventual ban. If you did happen to get unbanned, your first destination would likely be DU, which is a prospect I don't think would help DU." This also speaks volumes but i won't write another novel on 1 statement. 1st this tells me this does involve DU regardless of whether you want it to or not, his statement implies that for some underlying reason you did like DU and that you wished to do them harm and that is how targeting Cyan began with a underlying root cause of resentment towards the battalion that you previously were in and spent your time trying to better in the end to just tear them now, that since you left DU you started this plan with a bunch of goons to perform maybe a powerplay or an attack and began to target officers of a battalion. This adds up with statements made by others stating you had abused priveleges given to you by others in good faith to use as intelligence against DU and to plot against them. To target and harass an individual is wrong and unjustifiable as well is to abuse positions of trust and use that position against the organization that gave it to you. This is a direct display of you character leading up to & at the time of the ban and it justifies your ban in my eyes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------My final Thoughts (TLDR)---------------------------------------------------------------------------- How should this situation be looked at? The only parts of this situation that should be looked at ar - what did he do to get community banned - what was the reason or the goal he had for doing these actions - what did he do in response to the ban - what has he done in order to make ammends and has he exhausted every avenue of attempting to make ammends with Cyan & the community as whole that was affected by his actions. - During this appeal was he open and fully honest about what happened and lead upto the ban. What should not be taken into account of his appeal - Any friendships or grudges you hold against him before, during, or after this incident. Only Facts should be taken into account. - Was the ban fairly given? (The answer is yes harassment is a crimanl sentence up to a felony degree in the US regardless of the scale and media it is done over) Should you be unbanned today? No, the return time on this is just to soon & I don't believe you've done everything you could have other wise this thread wouldn't be the dumpster fire it is. There seems to be and feels like you are either downplaying your actions in your statement or bringing to your appeal a situation that doesn't apply yo your ban mainly because they used evidence from a non synergy discord and you claim the evidence was out of context but didn't provide any context for that what you provided was a chat in the SYNergy DU General chat.This is a community ban and a community devided on a topic would press me to hold off on removing your community (if it was up to me) the ban would stand where it is today and you would maintain privelege to contact a member of management to post on your behalf for when you believe you've made ammends with not only cyan but all the members of the community you affected with your actions. Should you be unbanned at a later date? Sure, Part of appealing bans is being capable of knowing if someone has truly understood the depth of their actions and made the greatest attempt in order to repair the damge done to as successfully as possible; granted that yourself and all parties involved can move past the situation. I see you've started the process and have made some headway. you've talked to the staff who banned you, you talked to cyan, but you haven't talk to all of those who where also affected by the fall out. some might say he only needs cyan's forgiveness (Which he formally stated cyan hasn't foregave him yet) but understand this is about his return to the community and the community by the looks of this dumpster fire are devided, personally i believe you need more time and to put effort into contacting those who have been vocal about your plea to return. Some might say "wElL If yOu'd uNbAn hIm lAtEr wHy nOt jUsT Do iT NoW" because how I view it today is that he doesn't understand the full ramifacations of his actions nor has he attempted to heal the rift between him and the community as a whole only the rift between him, cyan, the staff involved, & his friends which still play the server of which this small group of people do not encompass a community as a whole, other like i said earlier this dumpster fire of a thread would not exist. People who cause drama harm the growth of a community and should remained banned for the betterment of a community in my eyes. This was my TED Talk.