Trimming the Fat - Rank Changes

[Marvel]

Hello. I'm going to keep this short and sweet but after a quick discussion (honestly this has been discussed for years at this point) we in server leadership have decided to cut down on the amount of Clone ranks we have on the server. The new list of ranks will follow as such:
(Included side by side comparison of Navy, Jedi, and Senate ranks)

Marshal Commander - Chancellor Palpatine
Regimental Commander - Admiral - Yoda - Governer

Battalion Commander
Commander (Limit of 2 per Batt) - Rear Admiral - Jedi Overseer - Mas Amedda

Major - Captain - Jedi Master
Captain - Commander - Senator
Lieutenant - Lieutenant

Warrant Officer - Ensign

Sergeant Major - Master Chief Petty Officer - Jedi Knight
Sergeant First Class - Chief Petty Officer
Sergeant - Petty Officer

Corporal - Crewman - Jedi Padawan
Specialist - Crewman Apprentice
Private - Recruit

Clone Cadet

 

The goal behind these changes is to just cut down on all the bloat in ranks and progression on the server. There is an actual crazy amount of NCO ranks that have no purpose on the server other than prolonging progression on the server. Obviously with these changes promotions won't be as common and will feel more special and meaningful rather than just another step towards officer.

If you have any questions or concerns as always leave a comment or feel free to talk to me privately!

[Metro]

God Bless.

[Conrad]

Why are the ranks upside down?

edit: Xaze fixed it.

[Brooklyn]

+1

[Gears]

Any Reason for XO?

[Moz]

Feel like some ranks could of stayed

 

[Mystic]

4 minutes ago, Gears said:

Any Reason for XO?

I assume XO will just be optional? 

Kinda like it is now ig. just a title for the favorite CMD.

On this note, i'm a little worried about NCO ranks now being too short? We only have 3. I'm not quite sure how this will feel doing promotions.

[MetalRaptorTTV]

-1 really bad choice in my opinion the only thing that needed down sizing was navel like no xo? how many can we have in these slots like i have so many questions this honestly should of been brought up at the community meeting like this is a huge shift and is going to cause alot of people to just dip  

[Conrad]

What about jedi ranks?

[Marvel]

3 minutes ago, Gears said:

Any Reason for XO?

I'm honestly fucking up my wording rn but essentially the idea is that instead of one singular person that takes over in the absence of a BCMD the 2 CMDs would be in charge. Just so there isn't this turtle neck system of CoC and teamwork makes the dreamwork

i couldnt find the words for this

[Bane]

1 minute ago, Mystic said:

I assume XO will just be optional? 

Kinda like it is now ig. just a title for the favorite CMD.

On this note, i'm a little worried about NCO ranks now being too short? We only have 3. I'm not quite sure how this will feel doing promotions.

Two CMDs, XO is now removed

[Finn]

1 minute ago, MetalRaptorTTV said:

-1 really bad choice in my opinion the only thing that needed down sizing was navel like no xo? how many can we have in these slots like i have so many questions this honestly should of been brought up at the community meeting like this is a huge shift and is going to cause alot of people to just dip  

I really hope people aren't going to leave because of a rank. That'd be kinda silly.

[Marvel]

Just now, Conrad said:

What about jedi ranks?

erm L
(I'll add their equivalencies actually)

[Gears]

Just now, Mystic said:

I assume XO will just be optional? 

I mean in theory it technically always was optional. 

So many questions, If its only 2 commanders per batallion, How does this effect Jedis 3 + 1 XO, How does this change Jedis Rank equivalents.

Also if this is color coded for category, Captain Senior Officer? and only 1 Junior Officer. I feel like COL should of atleast been kept.

[Mystic]

Just now, Gears said:

I mean in theory it technically always was optional. 

So many questions, If its only 2 commanders per batallion, How does this effect Jedis 3 + 1 XO, How does this change Jedis Rank equivalents.

Also if this is color coded for category, Captain Senior Officer? and only 1 Junior Officer. I feel like COL should of atleast been kept.

No XO i guess. Just 2 CMDs.

[Lively]

-1
I don't see how this will help the server in the slightest
Having the amount of ranks we used to have was so much more beneficial, people could have a reason to get on so they could be promoted to the next rank and keep ranking up. Now, with less ranks, there will be less promotions and less motivation for some people to get on. Sure we're evolving, we're just evolving backwards.

Questions:
1) What "server leadership" is involved in this discussion
2) Why was this considered at all, and what are the "benefits" of downsizing the ranks
3) Why was the community not consulted before this happened?

I don't like what this server is becoming.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Lively
I forgot a question at first

[Gears]

1 minute ago, Marvel said:

I'm honestly fucking up my wording rn but essentially the idea is that instead of one singular person that takes over in the absence of a BCMD the 2 CMDs would be in charge. Just so there isn't this turtle neck system of CoC and teamwork makes the dreamwork

i couldnt find the words for this

For Clarification, Is this mean the previous rank are completely gone for equivalents outside of Clone/Naval. With XO gone.. does this not effect lets say Windu

[Rezz]

if you are taking away XO make it three commanders per battalion its only fair 

[Mystic]

Just now, Gears said:

For Clarification, Is this mean the previous rank are completely gone for equivalents outside of Clone/Naval. With XO gone.. does this not effect lets say Windu

i assume Windu will become a CMD Equivalent. If it became BCMD it would become applicable i assume

[Quassont]

-1 Seems like too few in my opinion. You took more than half of the ranks away from the structure. Officer ranks especially. Honestly should be left the way it is.

[Aegis]

I feel this is a change for the better, but maybe we cut a couple ranks too many in the NCO department. We'll have to see what attitudes develop before we can definitively say anything though.

[Mystic]

4 minutes ago, Finn said:

I really hope people aren't going to leave because of a rank. That'd be kinda silly.

Unfortunately alot of people are silly in this community.

[Canadian Milk]

NCO and Officer seem a bit too empty

[MetalRaptorTTV]

4 minutes ago, Finn said:

I really hope people aren't going to leave because of a rank. That'd be kinda silly.

Well then what was the point in getting merits and TIG? whats to point of trying to get a higher rank if your taking a 3 rank equivalent drop you have stripped us of progress  

[BadDog]

Plz add third commander 

[Conrad]

1 hour ago, MetalRaptorTTV said:

Well then what was the point in getting merits and TIG? whats to point of trying to get a higher rank if your taking a 3 rank equivalent drop you have stripped us of progress  

Remove them. Merits suck and are not fun at all. Promote on standards and skill not points.

[Wheezy]

This shouldnt have changed this is actually a pretty big deal cuz now everyone has to adjust there ranking structure if they have one and the ranks shouldve stayed no reason to get rid of them

[Zeros]

Three NCO ranks? Three officer ranks? You realize how long it'll take to be promoted now? We're trying to move forward, not leave people stuck behind and feeling burnt out. Even as a past BCMD, there was freedom to move people up. Two CMDs, no XO? Why?? This is incredibly limiting. What happens to people in the ranks that got removed?
This is one change I can't find a single reason to support. Change it back. Please. -1 if you couldn't tell.

[Lively]

6 minutes ago, Finn said:

I really hope people aren't going to leave because of a rank. That'd be kinda silly.

Yes, It is silly, but at the same time there are a good handful of us that like working towards something. Like a rank in a game.
Sure, its silly to not play the server anymore because you got demoted and lost more ranks in your battalion, but at the same time like I said, there should be *something* people work towards in Synergy.

[Gibby]

I semi Agree, I feel as though maybe removing a few ranks would be fine. Not removing as many as this (also PFC is the best Rank.)

Edited December 13, 2022 by Gibby

[Xaze]

Realisitcally, I think this is a positive change. The ranks are super inflated. This adds a reason for each rank instead of making it a race to reach the highest rank. Now each promotion you gain something instead of have a buffer per promotion. :) 

[Hector]

The NCO ranks seem a little short just like @Mystic said I think adding another NCO rank into the mix would make it a little bit better. other than that looks pretty ok! 

[Finn]

1 minute ago, MetalRaptorTTV said:

Well then what was the point in getting merits and TIG? whats to point of trying to get a higher rank if your taking a 3 rank equivalent drop you have stripped us of progress  

For the record, I wasn't part of this decision making process, and I'm not defending the change. I'm just saying that rank isn't something I think people should be leaving the community over.

[Wheezy]

18 minutes ago, Marvel said:

Hello. I'm going to keep this short and sweet but after a quick discussion (honestly this has been discussed for years at this point) we in server leadership have decided to cut down on the amount of Clone ranks we have on the server. The new list of ranks will follow as such:
(Included side by side comparison of Navy ranks)

Marshal Commander
Regimental Commander - Admiral

Battalion Commander
Commander (Limit of 2 per Batt) - Rear Admiral

Major - Captain
Captain - Commander
Lieutenant - Lieutenant

Sergeant Major - Ensign
Sergeant First Class - Master Chief Petty Officer
Sergeant - Chief Petty Officer

Corporal - Petty Officer
Specialist - Crewman
Private - Recruit

 

The goal behind these changes is to just cut down on all the bloat in ranks and progression on the server. There is an actual crazy amount of NCO ranks that have no purpose on the server other than prolonging progression on the server. Obviously with these changes promotions won't be as common and will feel more special and meaningful rather than just another step towards officer.

If you have any questions or concerns as always leave a comment or feel free to talk to me privately!

PFC should stay Staff Sergeant should stay 1st and 2nd Lieutenant should stay COL should stay LTCOL should stay this is insane honestly

[Brooklyn]

2 minutes ago, Zeros said:

You realize how long it'll take to be promoted now?

Thats on the battalion to decide dog. Not the change.

[Zeros]

Just now, Xaze said:

Realisitcally, I think this is a positive change. The ranks are super inflated. This adds a reason for each rank instead of making it a race to reach the highest rank. Now each promotion you gain something instead of have a buffer per promotion. :) 

Yes, but now promotion will slow down by a huge margin. People will be stuck in ranks for *weeks* dude. It's still a race for highest rank, that's why a lot of people play and stay active. To be PROMOTED. The buffers helped you learn and gain more experience.

[MetalRaptorTTV]

1 minute ago, Conrad said:

Remove them. Merits suck and are not fun at all. Promote on merit and skill not points.

So its your own opinion mattering over what people who enjoy them? cool

[Conrad]

I like this change. Ranks where too bloated and didn't mean anything. Whats the difference betweeen SGT and CSM?

[Wheezy]

2 minutes ago, Xaze said:

Realisitcally, I think this is a positive change. The ranks are super inflated. This adds a reason for each rank instead of making it a race to reach the highest rank. Now each promotion you gain something instead of have a buffer per promotion. :) 

inflated how? those ranks stay cuz they have a purpose

[Marvel]

Just now, Wheezy said:

PFC should stay Staff Sergeant should stay 1st and 2nd Lieutenant should stay COL should stay LTCOL should stay this is insane honestly

Please give me the difference of PVT, PFC, SPC, and CPL, the difference of 1st and 2nd LT, and the difference between MAJ, LTCOL, and COL

[Conrad]

1 minute ago, MetalRaptorTTV said:

So its your own opinion mattering over what people who enjoy them? cool

Bruh everything is opinion based. Thats like how the whole world works.

[Zeros]

1 minute ago, Brooklyn said:

Thats on the battalion to decide dog. Not the change.

The change will impact every battalion, promotion rates won't stay the same. 

[Mystic]

2 minutes ago, Conrad said:

I like this change. Ranks where too bloated and didn't mean anything. Whats the difference betweeen SGT and CSM?

Generally CSM are the people i expect to be active and become my next WO.

SGT tends to be the new players who are learning to log things and be leaders within the battalion.

(just answering the question nothin else)
That's how i use the two ranks anyways.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Mystic

[MetalRaptorTTV]

Just now, Conrad said:

Bruh everything is opinion based. Thats like how the whole world works.

its not an opinion when you say to remove them to deal with it my guy 

[Xaze]

2 minutes ago, Wheezy said:

inflated how? those ranks stay cuz they have a purpose

Give me a purpose for every current rank, I'll drop the purpose for these ranks in a few mins. 

[Perri]

How come this wasn't Community voted or Meeting about this?

[Conrad]

Just now, MetalRaptorTTV said:

its not an opinion when you say to remove them to deal with it my guy 

Yeah that is an opinion. I think the best thing to do with merits is remove them. Thats my opinion.

[Wheezy]

Just now, Marvel said:

Please give me the difference of PVT, PFC, SPC, and CPL, the difference of 1st and 2nd LT, and the difference between MAJ, LTCOL, and COL

PVT PFC dont have a difference SPC CPL AND SGT is where higher ranks start looking at people for NCO SNCO Officer ranks. LTCOL is actually not needed but Major and COL should stay its bascally a holding spot for commander. This also hurts certain peoples access to certain areas. This change shouldnt have happened my rank doesnt change cuz im a LT but for everyone else most likely alot of us are affected in so many ways. every battalion has to revamp their structures for a change that wasnt even brought to us again. this change shouldve been something all of us should vote on.

[A-Tack]

Worst part about this, is that this major decision that affects literally everyone was discussed .01 percent with the community. I don't know... maybe the last community meeting might have been a good time? Yeah okay...

[Hector]

1 minute ago, Perri said:

How come this wasn't Community voted or Meeting about this?

Plenty of other things just like this happened like when SO was removed from GM. These things happen and people inside these battalions don't have a choice.

[Wheezy]

Just now, A-Tack said:

Worst part about this, is that this major decision that affects literally everyone was discussed .01 percent with the community. I don't know... maybe the last community meeting might have been a good time? Yeah okay...

Thats exactly what i mean a vote should be brought up to us not leadership

3 minutes ago, Xaze said:

Give me a purpose for every current rank, I'll drop the purpose for these ranks in a few mins. 

the purpose for most of these ranks are for higher ups to watch how we perform, How we act at that rank. It helps higher ranking officers determine whose best for what position

 

[Mystic]

This feels familiar.... Community not talked to.... big change with no input... huh....

[Cubby]

4 minutes ago, Perri said:

How come this wasn't Community voted or Meeting about this?

Elitism.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Cubby

[Gears]

1 minute ago, Xaze said:

Give me a purpose for every current rank, I'll drop the purpose for these ranks in a few mins. 

The purpose of the ranks is completely up to the leaders of the battalion, These ranks and the previous ranks are likely different depending on what battalion you belong, A Warrant Officer of 212th could be completely different to one of lets say the 104th. The Battalions have always chosen their purpose for ranks, Not High Command. It has not been universal in my time. 

The names really mean fuck all and rather its the permissions that come with it, I could call Battalion Commander, Super Grand Trooper and it still be the same thing. its a damn name

Side note, Junior Officer is stuck in 1 rank and has no way of progression unless they are good enough to step up to Senior Officer. Overall I think this rank stuff is very half baked and should of taken community reaction and feedback first. once again this is a set back for High Command.

[Wheezy]

Just now, Mystic said:

This feels familiar.... Community not talked to.... big change with no input... huh....

its always been that bro. Thats the one big issue with Synergy big changes like these arnt brought to our attention they just put  them in and hope it goes well  

[Canadian Milk]

6 minutes ago, Perri said:

How come this wasn't Community voted or Meeting about this?

what does that mean?

[Hanz]

People need to stop caring about promotions. You get on to roleplay not to be promoted. Your rank literally means nothing. its made up for a star wars Rp server. This makes everything so much simpler.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Hanz

[Marvel]

Just now, Hanz said:

People need to stop caring about promotions. You get on to roleplay not to be promoted. Your rank literally means nothing. its made up for a star wars Rp serve. This makes everything so much simpler.

yo dawg chill with the meat riding please

[Wheezy]

This has honestly is the most upset ive been with a decision on the server 

[Fyi]

this is kinda wack im ngl

[Hanz]

Just now, MetalRaptorTTV said:

Ight enjoy being a pvt for 3 months my guy

The most fun I ever had on the server was being a SGT as Wrecker and literally taking 0 responsibility in the battalion. All i did was roleplay and I loved it.

[Canadian Milk]

12 minutes ago, Xaze said:

Give me a purpose for every current rank, I'll drop the purpose for these ranks in a few mins. 

Honestly there isnt a purpose for every rank but

there should still be WO to move into Officer ranks, aswell as making captain JO and adding COL after Major to balance each section with 2 each, ya know?

[Midlife]

I mean if were going to be honest the ranks were there just to slow down and keep people on the server for longer amounts of time. Also keep in mind with the change. Nothing really happens except for letters in a person name. like lieutenant was litteraly the senior rank of WO and 2LT. Captian and Major are both lore accurate. LTC and COL are both useless as well they just show seniority. At the end of the day BCMD has full control over the growth of individuals members and there ranks.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Midlife

[A-Tack]

3 minutes ago, Hanz said:

The most fun I ever had on the server was being a SGT as Wrecker and literally taking 0 responsibility in the battalion. All i did was roleplay and I loved it.

Back in my day I didn't watch TV. I listened to the neighbor's static radio, and I liked it!!!

Edited December 13, 2022 by A-Tack

[Hanz]

Just now, MetalRaptorTTV said:

ah so you enjoy the lack of responsibility of taking care of your battalion no wonder you stayed at SGT  

Dawg I tried to get demoted but it was the minimum to be a lore character. The server runs so much better when people just roleplay. None of the other shit matters if people only roleplay. I have help plenty of high positions on the server and none of them were near as fun as being Wrecker.

[Wheezy]

3 minutes ago, Gears said:

Side note, ive been told that this was a Director Change, not high command.

ah so they didnt even talk to the regimentals? lmao 

[Hanz]

1 minute ago, A-Tack said:

Back in my day I didn't watch TV. I listened to the neighbor's static radio, and I liked it!!!

This happened in August lil bro this wasn't long ago at all

Edited December 13, 2022 by Hanz

[Gibby]

This bickering is derailing the post, keep it to yourselves.

[ETsilvian]

I think this shouldve been a community meeting thing or poll. I feel you just cut to many ranks. And now we have to completely restructure TIG, Merits and people's ranks. As well as that I'm guessing it's going to get harder to get promoted with such little ranks so people are going to lose their sense of progression on the server. Me personally I don't care about if I'm promoted or not but I know this is going to burn people out. Maybe cut a few ranks but not this much. 

Enlisted: keep same without SPC.

NCO: SGT, SSG, MSG, SGM and maybe CSM but it's not necessary.

JO: 2LT, 1LT, CPT

SO: MAJ, COL but honestly can keep LTCOL

CMD: 3 CMD, XO is optional, BCMD

[Tec]

yikes not cool -1

on a real note though, I think SOME trimming was needed, however this is too much imo. Oh also bring back Vice Admiral please!

Edited December 13, 2022 by Tec

[Som]

Have fun @Guac moderating the post!

[Sina]

This is def not something that should ever be done without the community's voice in the matter 

[Canadian Milk]

PVT < SPC < CPL < SGT < SFC < SGM < WO < LT < CPT < Major < COL

personally this is what I feel would work, but thats just me ;)

 

[Wheezy]

6 minutes ago, ETsilvian said:

I think this shouldve been a community meeting thing or poll. I feel you just cut to many ranks. And now we have to completely restructure TIG, Merits and people's ranks. As well as that I'm guessing it's going to get harder to get promoted with such little ranks so people are going to lose their sense of progression on the server. Me personally I don't care about if I'm promoted or not but I know this is going to burn people out. Maybe cut a few ranks but not this much. 

Enlisted: keep same without SPC.

NCO: SGT, SSG, MSG, SGM and maybe CSM but it's not necessary.

JO: 2LT, 1LT, CPT

SO: MAJ, COL but honestly can keep LTCOL

CMD: 3 CMD, XO is optional, BCMD

yes but take out SGM and make it CSM it just sounds better lmao

[Mystic]

Damn @Marvelbeing a director is not good for your Forum rep.

Adding on a message so @Guacdoesn't hide this, 

This change is fine, but i think we could use a couple more ranks to buffer it. Some promotions may have felt insignificant but at least you knew you were being promoted. If we had a couple more ranks i do feel this would be a much better change as JO is 1 rank.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Mystic

[BlueBeetle]

Idk how to feel about this one... I love the NCO trimming but the officer trimming and the loss of XO are kinda weird.

[Madara]

8 minutes ago, Mystic said:

This change is fine, but i think we could use a couple more ranks to buffer it. Some promotions may have felt insignificant but at least you knew you were being promoted. If we had a couple more ranks i do feel this would be a much better change as JO is 1 rank.

i agree with this, a couple more ranks in a couple sections like officer and maybe enlisted would still keep the sense of progression while keeping the rank amount down and makin promotions feel even better

Edited December 13, 2022 by Madara

[Zensras]

Can we please STOP fucking making changes without involving the community or least some input?

This is like the second or third time this year this has happened and each time you guys claim you'll do better.    Then that gets thrown out the window couple of months later.


 

 

[Dono]

LMAO 

Call me crazy but rank climbing on gmod swrp servers is what incentivizes 60% of new players to join a battalion and play on the server. No amount of super epic events and broken 100 dollar store bought weapons will make a new player interested in joining a community. Your forgetting the importance of the fluff that exists to generate a larger amount of creative freedom within battalions on how they function. Battalion culture does revolve around ranks one way or another. Not every battalion can be like SOBDE, where nobody cares about rank inside the battalion.
50% cut off of ranks which is the most influential system in the entire server which serves as a basis for all roleplay to occur... without any community consolation on the change before being done???? 

Another massive change that will cause more problems than it fixes.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Dono

[Tec]

1 minute ago, Dono said:

LMAO 

Call me crazy but rank climbing on gmod swrp servers is what incentivizes 60% of new players to join a battalion and play on the server. No amount of super epic events and broken 100 dollar store bought weapons will make a new player interested in joining a community. Your forgetting the importance of the fluff that exists to generate a larger amount of creative freedom within battalions on how they function. Battalion culture does revolve ranks one way or another. Not every battalion can be like SOBDE, where nobody cares about rank inside the battalion.
50% cut off of ranks which is the most influential system in the entire server which serves as a basis for all roleplay to occur... without any community consolation on the change before being done???? 

Another massive change that will cause more problems than it fixes.

amen

[Comics]

1 hour ago, Xaze said:

Realisitcally, I think this is a positive change. The ranks are super inflated. This adds a reason for each rank instead of making it a race to reach the highest rank. Now each promotion you gain something instead of have a buffer per promotion. :) 

Isn't it weird most of the community doesn't agree? Maybe you people should have conversations before making strange out of the blue changes for us 

I dunno how long it will take you to learn this lesson but literally no one likes being surprised with being decisions even if they agree with them. 

This affects everyone and opinions are extremely divided but seemingly largerly oppose this most extreme option. Maybe ask us before you do it? There's literally zero harm except a week lost

Also, no one is gonna get SGT for its meaningful role. You're just ruining literally the most addicting part of swrp because none of HC+ have experienced it in about 3 years, you guys aren't the players when will you realise this?

[Som]

@Mazenshit is this what happens when you posted step up or step down?

[Bacta]

Noticing yall complaining about useless ranks that 3/4 of all battalions barely used/fast promote past it 💀

Edited December 13, 2022 by Mazen

[A-a-ron]

As someone who hasnt connected to the server in months, erm this change is stupid I cant be WO for 3 days anymore

was there even any community feedback before yall just decided to make this change outta no where orrrr...........

Edited December 13, 2022 by A-a-ron

[Stormzy]

Going to just put my opinion in. 

While I don't disagree that a lot of the ranks were useless and were probably either skipped as someone stated. I think this is a possible good change, only time will tell for now.

Only thing I can really see as an issue is this seems out the blue? Like, you guys may have been discussing this or considering this but what about BCMDs? I don't know if CMD meetings are a thing anymore but was it spoken about during those?

[Rudy]

Vito's professional opinion 

Me like Enlisted Ranks

Me Kinda Like NCO Ranks 

Me like Officer Ranks

Tbh yall just mass promote before then most people so. yurp

Thank you for your time 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Vit0

[Finn]

42 minutes ago, Stormzy said:

Going to just put my opinion in. 

While I don't disagree that a lot of the ranks were useless and were probably either skipped as someone stated. I think this is a possible good change, only time will tell for now.

Only thing I can really see as an issue is this seems out the blue? Like, you guys may have been discussing this or considering this but what about BCMDs? I don't know if CMD meetings are a thing anymore but was it spoken about during those?

This is spot on. The change itself isn't the issue for me, the fact that no one was consulted about it is the issue. Idk why Management hasn't realized that making these unilateral changes without asking anyone's opinion just makes things worse, no matter how good you think the change might be. I don't know what the reason is, but there's a clear lack of communication from Management and it needs to improve, or these threads are going to become the new norm, and I don't think anyone really wants unpopular changes to be publicly rebuked all the time.

[Hanz]

3 hours ago, Comics said:

Isn't it weird most of the community doesn't agree? Maybe you people should have conversations before making strange out of the blue changes for us 

I dunno how long it will take you to learn this lesson but literally no one likes being surprised with being decisions even if they agree with them. 

This affects everyone and opinions are extremely divided but seemingly largerly oppose this most extreme option. Maybe ask us before you do it? There's literally zero harm except a week lost

Also, no one is gonna get SGT for its meaningful role. You're just ruining literally the most addicting part of swrp because none of HC+ have experienced it in about 3 years, you guys aren't the players when will you realise this?

YOU DONT PLAY

[Rudy]

Tbh I think its a "ok" change, I don't like it nor do I hate it but, I do think the community should have been consulted and idk maybe a forum post before asking the opinions on the subject and even going as far as to make a poll to see what people think. Tbh I kind of feel like making decisions between just staff / high staff [ Idk who made the decisions for this ] is kind of the reason why we get such negative feed back when you guys try to change things up. 

[Gears]

So those who don't know. Jedi Overseers (Our High Command), isn't even getting Commander equivalent. That's right, the people who lead the order are on the same level as Normal masters. Council Member is fairly different to master but isn't recognised at all. Marvels reason? We are taking this too literally and we can still have our silly ranks and the ranks are little.. His words. 

Not only is this incredibly tone death, but it is insulting to those jedi that have been put in these position and is seen as an achievement among jedi as they lead the order in absence of yoda and within the past month or 2, this exactly is what happened. Battalion high command gets its cmd.. overseers get Maj like all masters. 

Knights go from Nco to senior officer in 1 rank change. For those who don't know, master compared to over a year ago is a much easier rank to get, you just have to lead a battalion jedi or a branch and you automatically get master with no vote, the branch and military overseer do this, (which by the way they no longer can cause they can't promote to their own rank.). Once a jedi master progresses, they are given an option of an interview for council member, this gets similar to how a commander interview works, upon passing they then gain voting powers, suggestion changes and being able to apply for overseer. They are the true senior officers of jedi, while master is junior officer. But this rank is now no longer recognised and is an internal rank when in reality these new ranks don't reflect how the jedi work at all. 

I think this is so simple to change but the issue is its being refused and our ranks are now being undermined and devalued. 

 

This is what it should be:

Yoda as Reg

Overseers as CMD while windu is internally 2nd in command 

Jedi Council Member as maj/captain 

Jedi master as lt

Jedi knight as nco

Jedi padawan as enlisted.

 

With this we have a rank in every category and doesn't create a massive jump between knight and master and recognised Council Member as a legitimate rank which it is within jedi. It would also recognise Overseers as commander and make it clearer they are our high command, while not undermining them the same as master. 

2 changes and its being refused, from a opinion that isn't even correct and has only removed part of jedis structure and forced internally and undermines its importance. These arnt silly ranks, they are crucial and essential to the jedi and are not small at all.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Gears

[Ccmonty]

OH COME ON I JUST GOT PROMOTED TO WO

[Bbstine]

This whole thread has me like

[Fizzik]

I can sorta agree that yeah there are some useless ranks that could have been rid of, such as SSG, MSG, 1LT, but I do think you guys went a little too ham on this one. I think a little bit more foresight would be in order, as there was some genuine purpose in some of the ranks removed. This may just pertain to my specific style, however, these should have stayed:

XO - this, to me, was there specifically so there's one person in charge. Two people provides a potential point of contention in my opinion. There is a pretty good quote I remember from a the movie Ford vs. Ferrari, "-you can’t win a race by committee. You need one man in charge."

WO - Again, this may have been just my style, but I really appreciated having a rank that could be dedicated to running the NCOs as if they were a BCMD themselves, and WO was it as there could only be one. While the argument could be made that this is still possible if you just give a LT the job, making the WO a singular position made it feel more special to me.

CSM - Kind of piggybacks off my WO argument. If the WO is the "BCMD" of the NCOs, then the need an XO, and the CSM was it.

 

Also, what happens to existing battalions that have 3 or 4 CMDs? Guess some BCMDs have some decisions to make on who to demote, that's a rough position to be in. I do not envy them.

[Jayarr]

6 hours ago, Hanz said:

YOU DONT PLAY

You don’t need to play to know when you disagree with something. Plus, past experience always counts. Don’t take it for granted just for any easy excuse to ignore an opinion.

As for the change, I completely understand it. I see a lot of complaints on this thread, and while most valid, I can’t help but wonder; what do these removed sergeant ranks mean to you guys in the first place? I’ve seen the argument that they are simply promotion stepping stones, or even ranks that add “validation” to the work you’ve done. But will you not now receive an even bigger rush when being promoted for your work, due to how scarce the ranks are? Will you not feel as if you’ve achieved a much more meaningful promotion now that others are being thwarted in your place? 

For a server that has done nothing but cause drama over who has what power, who is being useless in their position, who you hate, who you love, this change seems awfully close to the mark on what you all seem to strive off.

I can personally see plenty justification for this change in the current state of the server, even. You guys are dwindling in numbers as more people move on, and as you struggle to maintain that constant, it’s only smart to start making changes the cater to the 40 or so of you that consistently play. Funny, the only time you guys seem to rise above the mark is when you wanna argue on posts like this, which tend to get more people posting then actually playing. Hey, I’m guilty as charged.

Now, back on topic, there are two big issues with this change. First and foremost has been mentioned often enough, but the a lack of communication is utterly insane. I assure you, had you posted a high command poll, you all would have reached a resolve down the middle. Now, no one will see this post at face value, and you’ve rightly painted a target on your backs for a very big mistake.

Second, is the common player. Admittedly, this change hinders anyone with no prior knowledge to Star Wars RP. They’ve successfully moved from those little guys who are taking in everything, to bottom feeders who have to get in line in their trek towards progression. Those new guys will need to pour a lot of dedication and time in if they want to get anything meaningful over their concerningly high gmod numbers now.

With all that said, I apologize for the passive aggressive tone, but this entire thread is completely hilarious from the outside. I realize what’s at stake, which is your ranks you’ve grinded so hard for, but this is the biggest step towards achieving both something unique and something that benefits a server with such unstable numbers. Give it chance for a few days or weeks. Doesn’t work out after that time? Now start grabbing your torches and pitchforks, because you’ll have actual evidence and validation to these claims. I’m not saying some of you aren’t justified now, as I said I see a lot of good points, but everyone here is so hot headed. Relax, talk to each other.

Edited December 13, 2022 by Jayarr

[Bleach]

I think we need to bring back TR3, TR2 and TR1

[cpt.atomic]

A lot of docs will need to be changed to accommodate for the missing ranks now 

[Dono]

3 hours ago, cpt.atomic said:

A lot of docs will need to be changed to accommodate for the missing ranks now 

Yeah most of them are probably CG docs, since they have about 100 of them

[Stormzy]

5 hours ago, Jayarr said:

what do these removed sergeant ranks mean to you guys in the first place? I’ve seen the argument that they are simply promotion stepping stones, or even ranks that add “validation” to the work you’ve done. But will you not now receive an even bigger rush when being promoted for your work, due to how scarce the ranks are? Will you not feel as if you’ve achieved a much more meaningful promotion now that others are being thwarted in your place? 

Thanks for speaking about it. From my perspective about it this would make the current ranks have more significance. As stated, most the ranks were merely fillers and with the current state it would still take a while to get promoted. I think the best way is just to play this out for a few weeks. If it doesn't end up working we should try to bring it up in either the next Community Meeting or request a meet with Marvel.

 

Honestly, starting to think people aren't as mad about the reduction in ranks but are just using it as an excuse to bitch about something. 

[A-a-ron]

6 hours ago, Jayarr said:

You don’t need to play to know when you disagree with something. Plus, past experience always counts. Don’t take it for granted just for any easy excuse to ignore an opinion.

GUYS JAYARR SAID MY OPINION MATTERS, EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG

 

[Marvel]

Warrant Officer has been added