Heart's enraged resignation

[Heart]

Thank you high staff for showing me this is not where I should be right now

 

Heart

STEAM_0:0:43680174

Thank you those who attempt to make the server fun, I'm glad you still retain the charm it was founded on.

 

[traditional]

That was one hell of a exit you did there.

I have never seen someone over react so extremely for being punished for MassRDM.

For further clarification and transparency on events that happened leading up to the incident in question, here is an out-take from a Shadow Play that contributed to the situation;

 

[Luther]

well than.....

[Arizona]

You broke a rule fam. Not sure why u decided to be a jerk to everyone for just doing their job. You broke a MRDM rule why not just take ur punishment and be over with it lmao?? lol

[Bbstine]

[ScarZ]

Yo Heart text me on Discord ScarZHavocFangPatrick#5350

[Pythin]

Huh

[Brooklyn]

I remember when I got banned for MRDM. However I was more apologetic since it directly affected my battalion. But you do you fam. 

[justuscloud5]

goodbye my old friend 

dont think they should have taken your awards

Edited February 27, 2021 by justuscloud5

[Merrill]

tf?

[Matt-Matthos]

[Craigary]

Damn. 

[Pythin]

Heart out here actin like a regular MRDM’er

Edited February 27, 2021 by Pythin

[Logic]

Enjoy your life on something else. This isn't healthy. Keep in touch cutey

Edited February 27, 2021 by Logic

[A-a-ron]

Man's mentioned his multiple league bans. How the fuck you get banned in a game where the only communication is typing and you still press enter lmao, stay gone 

Inosuke said it best

Edited February 27, 2021 by A-a-ron

[Cox]

damn heart I always liked you 

[A-a-ron]

Also, you coulda just made a ban appeal instead of going baby rage mode and probably gotten +1s since people agree the RDM on event server rule is kinda pepega.

Edited February 27, 2021 by A-a-ron

[Cutlaw]

 

[Shockpoint]

I joined just as the shouting began 

[Scarecrow]

 

[Starfox]

 

Edited February 27, 2021 by Starfox

[Eclipse]

drink some water after that one pal. Rough on your vocal cords

[Naffen]

o7 Heart, not sure what you expected for breaking a major server rule but y'know better luck next time

[Ratio]

1 hour ago, traditional said:

That was one hell of a exit you did there.

I have never seen someone over react so extremely for being punished for MassRDM.

 

The reaction is a bit ridiculous but I'm gonna go ahead and be that guy and say that you shouldn't have recorded this and posted it on the forums. He's clearly just extremely upset and people are irrational when upset, and now people are only going to know him as the dude who made a mistake and melted down if he comes back when he was really just a chill ass dude who had a bad day.

 

 

Edit: I was spoken to by the Founders on behalf of the staff team about the context of the situation and now understand their thought process behind it. While I still wish it didn't come to the public posting, most of it extends to the fact that I wish it didn't happen at all. Heart fucked up and got an equal response to it.  Sucks these things happen but it does.

Edited February 27, 2021 by Ratio

[Teaa]

yall some hoes for banning em.

[Logic]

14 minutes ago, Teaa said:

yall some hoes for banning em.

Who did he hurt by RDMing after event server event? Like what purpose does that rule serve? If people stick around and RDM GM just swaps map and boom, they stuck on a loading screen. 

I'm asking why this is a rule, I was not here when it got added

Edited February 27, 2021 by Logic

[Piff]

Free the homie he did nothing wrong, I got 200 white girls saying to sign the petition I made

regional said it best tho

proceeds to kill everyone with lightsaber rifle

but in all seriousness, event server rules with RDM and FFA after the event is over is kind of gae, well more like OMEGA GAY, people really be getting arrested for everything.

Edited February 27, 2021 by Piff

[Fyi]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

Who did he hurt by RDMing after event server event? Like what purpose does that rule serve? If people stick around and RDM GM just swaps map and boom, they stuck on a loading screen. 

I'm asking why this is a rule, I was not here when it got added

The Event Server is still an extension of the main server. If we enforce all other rules on event, then I don't see why MRDM at debrief would be excused. It's still breaking a rule, regardless of intentions.

[BigZach]

o7 Pepega rage but you chill af most the time. You coulda gone out on a better hill but it's aight we have our moments.

[Cutlaw]

I know it's unneeded but the first thing ( star wars related ) that popped in my mind was mayfield doing gods work in the mandalorian
( only in his case he didnt get punished ) 

Anyways, hopefully after a day or two when the parties have calmed down this will get resolved. 

Edited February 27, 2021 by Cutlaw
pepepoop

[Marvel]

That was just some good old fashion goofin around. This is just an example with how stingy people have gotten over the rules tbh

o7 Heart. 

[MasonA]

o7 Man, loved being Naval w/ you. 

[Daytona211]

Going out on a limb with no context of the situation besides the videos.
This was probably handled wrong.

This should have been handled by @Shockpoint and the gamemaster leadership. 
I am pretty confident if it was this would have ended a lot better for everybody. 

 

[Fyi]

4 minutes ago, Daytona211 said:

This was probably handled wrong. This should have been handled by @Shockpoint and the gamemaster leadership. 
I am pretty confident if it was this would have ended a lot better for everybody. 

 

It was supposed to be handled by 1 HA, which then escalated into Directors, and then into the Management team. The proper steps were taken before rising up the ladder.

[Zensras]

o7 

Feel free to hit me up on discord if you ever want to hang out with me and Tyennoch.  Your more than welcomed to.

[Daytona211]

4 minutes ago, Fyi said:

It was supposed to be handled by 1 HA, which then escalated into Directors, and then into the Management team. The proper steps were taken before rising up the ladder.

Since it happened during an event and wasn't an emergency it should have fallen under GM jurisdiction. Obviously he is staff as well, but it was mainly a GM problem so the GM team should have been the ones handling the resolution with input / guidance from the staff team.
With the staff team being able to handle there side after

[Craigary]

3 minutes ago, Daytona211 said:

Since it happened during an event and wasn't an emergency it should have fallen under GM jurisdiction. Obviously he is staff as well, but it was mainly a GM problem so the GM team should have been the ones handling the resolution with input / guidance from the staff team.

Wow day. Posting on the forums instead of being a Doc slave. How original.
JK Ily.

[Bleach]

HE DOESN'T KNOW

[Finn]

free my man heart

Edited February 28, 2021 by Finn

[Gears]

15 minutes ago, Daytona211 said:

Since it happened during an event and wasn't an emergency it should have fallen under GM jurisdiction. Obviously he is staff as well, but it was mainly a GM problem so the GM team should have been the ones handling the resolution with input / guidance from the staff team.
With the staff team being able to handle there side after

Would of been a waste of time, anything like this would have been a removal from staff. Also to say it was escalated to Directors then management.. not quite, He was being talked to by bud, jumped into a locked channel and started screaming as you can see from the video. There was likely going to be a escalation either way as I assumed Heart would be going up the proper chain of command.

[Brooklyn]

Are we not going to talk about the people that crowed around the grenades he was throwing? 

[Egg]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Who did he hurt by RDMing after event server event? Like what purpose does that rule serve? If people stick around and RDM GM just swaps map and boom, they stuck on a loading screen. 

I'm asking why this is a rule, I was not here when it got added

Its a rule because rdm is still rdm, no matter where it is, and has been a rule for around 2 years at this point. All you ever need to type is sim start and then you're free to go.

As far as this banning goes, it's always sad to see a gamer get rocked, but I believe that in this case, he did it to himself. It's really REALLY not hard to simply just NOT kill a lot of people with a deliberate explosion, and the attitude taken towards being held accountable for the actions taken shows me personally that the ban was more than deserved. If you break the rules, you get whacked and you have to face the music when you get caught. Godspeed gamer and thanks for giving me something spicy to read while at work.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Egg

[Egg]

2 minutes ago, Brooklyn said:

Are we not going to talk about the people that crowed around the grenades he was throwing? 

I think that yea, they were all 100% being morons, but at the end of the day, they were not the ones who deliberately threw explosives on the ground next to a bunch of people for them to crowd around and get exploded. If they were adding more explosives to the pile, then hit them with the gamer stick too. But they weren't and here we are. Gamer has been around for quite a while and so has the don't rdm rule. He should know better than to be such a tater. 

[Piff]

after watching the video is quite disappointing how some of the people there were acting due to the fact I heard laughter from what it sounds like coming from Gears, someone is genuinely pissed off about the state of the server and all you can do is laugh. And of course you can say oh he’s just saying this cause he got banned, yes in a way it’s true, but someone wouldn’t let out like that unless they actually had an opportunity to

the fact that this is posted here like it’s a joke too is even more disappointing.

overall this situation is just shit, if this were to be another person to MRDM who let’s say has the favor of those in control of the situation this would’ve properly gone different and then Ik some of you will be like uh no I don’t have any favoritism which I mean you can say that all you want, but at the end of the day there’s multiple examples of it, hell I can even give an example of many situations. Anyways that’s my little opinion after seeing this shit

Also a big yikes that i just heard even more that he got banned even longer for having an opinon, Noice, banning people for disagreeing with you and having an opinon fucking pathetic

Me waiting for mass dumbs from everyone involved in the situation

Edited February 28, 2021 by Piff

[Woeny]

1 hour ago, Piff said:

after watching the video is quite disappointing how some of the people there were acting due to the fact I heard laughter from what it sounds like coming from Gears, someone is genuinely pissed off about the state of the server and all you can do is laugh. And of course you can say oh he’s just saying this cause he got banned, yes in a way it’s true, but someone wouldn’t let out like that unless they actually had an opportunity to

the fact that this is posted here like it’s a joke too is even more disappointing.

overall this situation is just shit, if this were to be another person to MRDM who let’s say has the favor of those in control of the situation this would’ve properly gone different and then Ik some of you will be like uh no I don’t have any favoritism which I mean you can say that all you want, but at the end of the day there’s multiple examples of it, hell I can even give an example of many situations. Anyways that’s my little opinion after seeing this shit

Also a big yikes that i just heard even more that he got banned even longer for having an opinon, Noice, banning people for disagreeing with you and having an opinon fucking pathetic

Me waiting for mass dumbs from everyone involved in the situation

Hello i would like to reply as some things are missing here that you did not include/ things I would like to state

1. The community stated awhile back with Brooklyns case they wanted the rules to be followed in which @Brooklyn was banned for the 7 days, so it was enforced here, if you see a member doing this you should bring it up to staff so they can enforce the standard set by the community.

2. Heart is a SA and Honorary staff in which have higher standards then the average players as we expect more from the staff team

3. This case was brought to us by the CG in which 1 HA was gonna handle it and have a talk, in which per community's wishes Heart was gonna be banned for the 7 days and was gonna leave it at that nothing more

4. When Bud was talking to him he preceded to go off on bud when bud was just trying to talk with him and handle the situation, screaming and yelling at him which isnt the same as "having an opinion" your straight going after someone
5. The video Trad linked, Dragon Wolfro Gears myself and Trad were in a LOCKED channel with the description of DND at the time, Heart joined on his own free will mid talk with Bud and stated those things, in which none of us stated anything as he left before we could talk with him.

Your allowed to voice your concerns with the community theres multiple ways to go about that, messaging High staff myself or founders, The feedback form if you wish to remain anonymous  are just a few to name, but coming in a locked channel with DND and screaming at us is not a way to voice/address it.

Any other comments or questions feel free to PM me.
 

[Comics]

Not sure it should've been recorded and posted in some weird attempt to discredit him and make him some toxic laughing stock.
Also not sure about stripping your honourary staff, I mean you were staff and there's not much they can do to change that fact.

 

You're a great guy heart, I'm sorry that you had to go out like this. You fucked up but I'll miss ya buddy.
Don't let this keep ya down.

 

Oh yeah and stop laughing at a guy clearly having a break down. It's pretty fucked up to be laughing at that. He's clearly upset & passionate; I'm sure you'd love to be pointed at and kicked when you're emotional. Grow up

Edited February 28, 2021 by Comics

[Piff]

1 minute ago, Woeny said:

Hello i would like to reply as some things are missing here that you did not include/ things I would like to state

1. The community stated awhile back with Brooklyns case they wanted the rules to be followed in which @Brooklyn was banned for the 7 days, so it was enforced here, if you see a member doing this you should bring it up to staff so they can enforce the standard set by the community.

2. Heart is a SA and Honorary staff in which have higher standards then the average players as we expect more from the staff team

3. This case was brought to us by the CG in which 1 HA was gonna handle it and have a talk, in which per community's wishes Heart was gonna be banned for the 7 days and was gonna leave it at that nothing more

4. When Bud was talking to him he preceded to go off on bud when bud was just trying to talk with him and handle the situation, screaming and yelling at him which isnt the same as "having an opinion" your straight going after someone
5. The video Trad linked, Dragon Wolfro Gears myself and Trad were in a LOCKED channel with the description of DND at the time, Heart joined on his own free will mid talk with Bud and stated those things, in which none of us stated anything as he left before we could talk with him.

Your allowed to voice your concerns with the community theres multiple ways to go about that, messaging High staff myself or founders, The feedback form if you wish to remain anonymous  are just a few to name, but coming in a locked channel with DND and screaming at us is not a way to voice/address it.

Any other comments or questions feel free to PM me.
 

I find it ironic that when people do voice their opinons, they usually end up getting fucked over, which in this case, is another example, and like i said before, everytime something like this happens the people handling it are unforgiving considering the fact that the person was already pissed off usually and its dealt with in a poor manner everytime which in this case you see that he's already pissed off and then you proceed to try to reason with him without thinking he will do something irrational, you don't have to deal with everything on the instant, give him time and perhaps he will be able to be reasoned with. The fact that yall dont see that he was mad and still decide to ban him for a month is beyond me, i don't know what you expected else than him to go off on bud. Banning him for longer doesn't solve the issue, that will just leave more of a grudge if he decides to come back.

Also i never said rules shouldn't be followed, i stated the fact that rules are unforgiving and extreme especially on event server.

With us being able to provide our opinion on stuff im going to be honest, The feedback form, you can submit something there, but in reality, we don't know if our feedback will be even listened to, messaging high staff or founders, I would say going to founders would be the best bet for most since im going to be honest here, most people trust the founders more than most of the people below them, i already know many people dont trust the current HAs and Directors in place right now if im being honest and if you wish for reasons ill give them if you asked, but i already know someones going to get butthurt if i state them here.

Regardless the situation was still handled poorly and it seems we haven't learned from the past when this shit happens

[The_Real_Tucker]

The RDM rule on event server always seemed stupid to me. DB is over and so many people break this rule anyway. You're trying to enfore "serious rp" when people are just gonna fuck around anyway. If you stay on event server after db, you're there to fuck around, as clearly seen here, everyone huddled around the bombs, they knew they were bombs.........

[Maverick]

My brain could not begin to describe how...stupid some of the posts are on this particular thread. Good luck to you @Heart

[KillJoy]

Honestly wished I mass rdm people before I left 

[Fizzik]

nice...

[BigZach]

folk enforce rules at incoveinient times just to make a statement or something 

[Joah]

Yep.

[Baboon]

 I would definitely be permaed if I still played 

[Bbstine]

9 hours ago, Piff said:

most people trust the founders more than most of the people below them, i already know many people dont trust the current HAs and Directors in place right now if im being honest and if you wish for reasons ill give them if you asked, but i already know someones going to get butthurt if i state them here.

Sorry you feel that way, Trad and I are literally input-output junkies when it comes to community feedback. If you don't trust speaking to the High Staff team speak to the Liaison(s); we are literally here for that purpose, obviously if you feel more comfortable speaking to a Founder go for it, but since nothing in your comment has described anything about Trad and I's team I thought I'd give you and anyone else reading this an option other than the Founders.

[Gadget]

A lot of people are passing judgement, but if we be real here he did break a rule and he did react in an explosive manner. 

I agree that posting the videos of his reaction doesn't shine anyone in good light as I kinda of agree with some of the statement Heart said. But if you want to make changes it better to go through the correct channels then to have an emotional outburst at someone.

No one was the winner of this case, everyone has come out looking shitty, but we move on, we learn and we improve as individuals, a server and as a community.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Gadget

[Forseen]

Hey @Piff, I'm glad you're bringing up things like this and I actually do have a response for you.

 

10 hours ago, Piff said:

I find it ironic that when people do voice their opinons, they usually end up getting fucked over, which in this case, is another example,

Firstly, through many instances have we (Head Admins, Directors, Management and Founders) been in contact with someone who has feedback for the community, be it positive or negative & we sit down and have a conversation with them about how to move forward from that feedback. Usually these happen privately and then we discuss how to implement different strategies to move the community forward behind the scenes to get things moving, meaning they're less commonly seen as they aren't thrown up on the forums like this post was.

Usually these feedback submissions get as much back as they put into the submission. For example some people put roughly 15 words, and we may send a message or work on things in the back-end of things to keep it all running smooth. However, some people have put 8-10 paragraphs and those have ended up in discussions for over an hour on all topics brought up, how to move forward and have inspired further discussion of implementation from our High Staff team. To reiterate though, this usually doesn't get plastered all over the forums, and hence isn't really seen.

 

10 hours ago, Piff said:

like i said before, everytime something like this happens the people handling it are unforgiving considering the fact that the person was already pissed off usually and its dealt with in a poor manner everytime which in this case you see that he's already pissed off and then you proceed to try to reason with him without thinking he will do something irrational, you don't have to deal with everything on the instant, give him time and perhaps he will be able to be reasoned with.

From my understanding of the situation, Heart was given time to cool off after he was being irrational in the way in which he was yelling at Bud. Bud removed himself from the conversation into a locked channel with Directors, Management & a Founder which a password and channel code of DND. Heart on his own after the situation was already de-escalated and the parties separated for some cooling off time, barged in and continued to abuse and disrespect the server and staff team.

I understand your point from your message and agree with you, however those steps were taken and the situation was further escalated by Heart and hence required the punishment to be handed out. In this, he abused the fact that he has access to locked channels to break channel code, abused a member of the community & didn't give anyone a chance to speak before leaving again. Heart has also done this on numerous other occasions in which, he was spoken to after calming down, that he cannot just yell at, and abuse people and then run away and say "I don't wanna talk".

 

10 hours ago, Piff said:

The fact that yall dont see that he was mad and still decide to ban him for a month is beyond me, i don't know what you expected else than him to go off on bud. Banning him for longer doesn't solve the issue, that will just leave more of a grudge if he decides to come back.

The thing about this is, the conversation with Bud happened before any of the other things that you mentioned and was the first interaction that Heart had coming from a member of the High Staff team involving this situation. In this situation, Bud was trying to talk to Heart about the situation and to help calm him down, however Bud didn't even really get a chance to speak & we all know Bud can talk people's ears off for hours on end.

The ban length was determined off of other similar situations in which the community didn't have an issue with at the time... This wasn't a random number that was selected and had no correlation to who Heart is as a member of this community.

 

Another perspective to also look at here. The original punishment was for MassRDM and was going to be a 1 Week ban as per the standards set when the situation with Brooklyn happened. Something that wasn't considered for this incident was the fact that Heart also used SLAM's which he KNEW that he wasn't allowed to use and chose to anyways. Bud wasn't even considering this as part of the punishment with the thought process of "It may have been a one-off thing" like Brooklyn's incident.

 

11 hours ago, Piff said:

i already know many people dont trust the current HAs and Directors in place right now if im being honest and if you wish for reasons ill give them if you asked, but i already know someones going to get butthurt if i state them here.

One thing that very much disappoints me is that this hasn't been brought up anyway previous to this but you have information about "many people" and their opinions on the current High Staff team. We can't read minds, and we can't improve without knowing eachothers faults. As a Community we need to communicate to make this a better place for all, that communication comes from all levels ranging from the newest members of the community, all the way to the top with the Founders.

In short, work with us so that we can work with you. The liaison team (@traditional & @Bbstine) are in place for situations like these to help bridge the communication gap between members to high staff, please utilize them or as stated earlier, fill out the feedback form (We respond to people that give us their names) or talk your way up the chain.

[Gears]

 Good Lord, This is alot to come back to.

14 hours ago, Marvel said:

That was just some good old fashion goofin around. This is just an example with how stingy people have gotten over the rules tbh

Yea, completely agree. Before this instance me and heart were in the Naval Channel and he said something along the lines of "Gears, even you as a director must know that this rule is bullshit" and i said I agreed, This rule is just piling on to the rolling ball that is restriction after restriction and perhaps its time to have a wider look on the servers rules and relax it so that we arnt getting people to step on eggshells

12 hours ago, Piff said:

after watching the video is quite disappointing how some of the people there were acting due to the fact I heard laughter from what it sounds like coming from Gears,

Ok. Maybe listen closer to the video. First part heart said "Hey look dragon im getting banned etc" which i respond to "yes".. then when heart continues Woeny says "hes back" and then laughs a second later. I dont laugh like that, I sat there and listened, i was ready to give him a chance and give a fair assessment of what he said cause as I said, I disagreed with the rule. 

11 hours ago, Comics said:

Also not sure about stripping your honourary staff, I mean you were staff and there's not much they can do to change that fact.

Honorary was Stripped by Founder for context, Disagree or Agree its not up to me. But if a honorary gets into a situation like this again, then the same standards should apply right? We will see if thats the case.

11 hours ago, Piff said:

With us being able to provide our opinion on stuff im going to be honest, The feedback form, you can submit something there, but in reality, we don't know if our feedback will be even listened to, messaging high staff or founders, I would say going to founders would be the best bet for most since im going to be honest here, most people trust the founders more than most of the people below them, i already know many people dont trust the current HAs and Directors in place right now if im being honest and if you wish for reasons ill give them if you asked, but i already know someones going to get butthurt if i state them here.

All we seem to get from the Feedback form is about the CIS, We did have one case in the Staff Feedback where we did take action on, but we havent recieved anything since then. With our feedback when its escalated we try our best to approach the person who submitted it (however in most cases its anon). But what i dont get is how you dont trust HAs and Directors, now i cant speak on my fellow staff members, but my Discord, PMs on TS and anywhere you can get me is always open and if anyone has concerns I will listen to every one. Getting a Statement like this is sad to hear as this is an assumption that is been labeled for all of High Staff when I havent ever received a poke/pm about the issues they have. So for those who feels these sentiments, I am open to talk and I will give you my undivided attention.

[Chumbus]

The guy got upset over a rule he didn't agree with and things got out of hand. imo this shouldn't be an open post anymore it seems kind of dumb to make this so public. Perhaps this situation can be used to better the server by starting conversations about certain rules / professionalism / accessibility to high staff. However this post especially the video seem rather unprofessional to post and should be closed or hidden and if you don't agree well then sorry :)

[Underpaidstaff]

Honestly i can understand hating the no rdm on the event server rule. But if what weony says is true (and i assume it is) you did kinda shoot yourself in the foot by going into that channel and freaking out. 
on the bright side we now know trad plays stellaris

[Bacta]

Didnt interact with you as much as others but your events were insane and you were a great roleplayer, you made a impact on the server  I do hope 1 day you will come back Take it easy man

Edited February 28, 2021 by Bacta

[Joah]

I can sympathize with the getting banned on league :*(

29 banned accounts and counting.

[Wheezy]

All I Hate about all of this is how most people dont say shit about any problems to anyone at all other than to talk shit pretty sure we have a form for us to voice our opinions and I dont think that The Founders/HA/Directors would mind if you would ask to speak to them about certain issues. I have mad respect for all staff members within this community especially the ones who deal with this shit every day. Rules are rules if they are broken you face consequences you know what you did own up to it like a man and deal with it. Everyone wants to voice their opinion but dont do it. but for what reason? you scared you gonna get backlash from others? suck it up its a part of life your opinion is your opinion. THEY ARE HERE TO LISTEN TO YOU START USING YOUR VOICE. Sorry to kinda go off but like its been a problem within the synergy community and other communities I have been apart of and its getting kinda annoying when they complain about something but no one hears about it TALK YOUR TALK. But yeah Mad respect to you staff members who deal with these situations.

[Piff]

1 hour ago, Joah said:

I can sympathize with the getting banned on league :*(

29 banned accounts and counting.

Just play Dota 2 instead ez fix

[ScarZ]

9 hours ago, Joah said:

I can sympathize with the getting banned on league :*(

29 banned accounts and counting.

LMFAOOO you gotta love when Joah just comes outs of nowhere

[Life-]

15 minutes ago, ScarZ said:

LMFAOOO you gotta love when Joah just comes outs of nowhere

no

[Porch]

Heart, your first mistake was not being a founder when doing it. 

[Bud]

@Piffi will say when I talked to heart he heard me out at first then dc on me I was handling the situation based of the information I was given when I decided what I was going to do he told me f you and such which im used to in IRL then he went to Founders like forseen said then came back to me and said I ruined synergy hope that context helps 

[Woeny]

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